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uh 4g lte connection worked so we got to

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finish the video i ran out in a storm

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that was cool

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um so here i am back at home

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um where we have a good internet

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um thanks for joining me for round two

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tonight

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and we will get started in

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there's footage and records of

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objects in the skies that we

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don't know exactly what they are we

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how they moved

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their trajectory there are moons of

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other planets that we think there are

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there is very likely to be life so seven

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decades after unidentified aerial

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defense ministries around the world

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opened what they are the recent report

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doesn't require us to accept the reality

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of alien visitation but it does require

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us to take ufo seriously

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therefore how seriously does her

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majesty's government now take ufos in

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the light of this report

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i refer the noble lady to my previous

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answers to which the short response is

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identifiable and can be substantiated

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all right thanks for watching that i

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as you know i make the music for it i

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hope you like it alright and without

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further ado i bring in everyone

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who everyone's waiting for mr ross

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goldhart how are you today

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i'm very well thanks sean lovely to talk

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to you yeah you as well so is this um

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number three thousand for your

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interviews this week or where where are

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gratified by the the intensity of the

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response from

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a huge number of people from all over

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the world that i've

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never had a response like it to any

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story i've ever done before as a

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the same time that the subject really

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only kind of occasionally dribbles out

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i'm now aware of this incredibly um

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fascinated and engaged audience of

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people that are interested in

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and wanting to hear more about this

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subject matter and

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it's very gratifying i mean the the best

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thing you can hope for as a journal is

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that people actually want to read your

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copy or

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or um watch what you say

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your work is led with integrity and

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and a passion for the mystery

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it is successful isn't it because i feel

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art made with heart and integrity and

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gut and honesty and i think you're

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payoff there

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well look it's uh i mean to be honest

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but no what i do is i do take my craft

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law school you were taught to look at

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evidence and weigh evidence and look at

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the application of facts to principle

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investigative journalism which is a bit

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of a dying art frankly in mainstream

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big newspapers and big tv networks and

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privilege of being able to do that and

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america i have many friends in

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investigative media who are out of work

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francisco because he can't get another

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investigative journalist but um you know

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ever and the the problem is

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ufos uaps are a crock of [\h__\h] and it's

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not it's it's real i i'm fascinated that

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there is cognitive dissonance between

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mainstream media about the phenomenon

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communicates that

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where everything started and takes you

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to where we are now so flawlessly it's

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that's why i call it art and then you

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that i watched so i've just been

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and i must say i want myself to be

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perfectly honest sure

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my daughters would probably like to see

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a little bit more of their dad and um

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knows how to deal with wombats which are

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marsupial creatures that

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dig enormous holes they're digging holes

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under my new garden fence so i can't do

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documentary something that really hit

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camera and you said i'm

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there's a sign there's a saying in my

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line of work which is we actually use

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more vulgar term but in polite company

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assume a screw-up before a conspiracy

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like we you know the the inclination is

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razor principle to find the simplest

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the media for years has been to just

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aircraft or some kind of prosaically

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startup who i got to know subsequently

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he reported seeing a gigantic metallic

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was confused and flying upside down and

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there's good reason to be skeptical

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valencia incident had come just a few

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kaikura lights ufo in december of 1978 i

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during the silly season as we call it in

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the media where there's nothing much

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was inclined to dismiss it and

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determined that the whole thing was just

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pilot of the aircraft had seen

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lights reflecting from fishing boats

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democratic governments we um we just

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and socially i actually met people at

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wellington airport the radar operators

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who

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had in fact been monitoring what was

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being seen from the cargo aircraft

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that was contemporaneously filmed by a

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man who became a friend of mine quentin

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fogerty an australian filmmaker

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and quentin had shot on 16 mil film

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quite extraordinary vision of lights

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saucer shaped lights coming up to the

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side of the craft and then zooming away

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and the the explanation of course was

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that these were just refractions and

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you know

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we couldn't disprove or prove one way or

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the other they were just lights on it on

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a film

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and then what what blew me away was

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meeting the radar operator one of them

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was a guy called john cordy who's still

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alive lovely lovely old duffer and john

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um wait what did you say sorry lovely

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old what

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duffer d u double f e r it's a it's an

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affectionate for uh an elderly gentleman

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i love it i'm sorry yeah the the

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language difficulties between australia

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and america

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[Laughter]

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the thing about it was john said to me

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he said look ross i know the new zealand

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air force came out with this explanation

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that it was squid boat lights

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and if it wasn't that that it was venus

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and he said look

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i'm somebody who saw these objects on

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radar and i said what and he said yeah i

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saw them on the wellington radar across

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cook straight about 50 miles away and

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and i said what did you see and he said

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well

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if they were fishing boats they were at

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14 000 feet and they were circling the

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aircraft and uh and he said i saw them

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on the radar at the exact same time that

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uh quentin fogarty the

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journalist and a colleague of his dennis

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grant who's another friend of mine from

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australia happened to be in the plane as

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well

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and uh these two men independently

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witnessed on the radar of the plane at

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the same time as wellington radar

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corroborative evidence of solid objects

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coming up to the side of the craft and

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then zooming away again and um

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unfortunately the light conditions of

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course using a 16 mil cam and a very

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slow lens

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in a plane at night

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winter's induced conducive to getting

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good images as you'd get today with a

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good i don't know sony a7 or something

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and so the images were kind of

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underwhelming

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but what fascinated me was to hear from

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quentin and dennis and john cordy that

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there was if you like an alternative

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narrative

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and so one of the gigs i had in my very

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first year or so of journalism with the

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new zealand herald newspaper in auckland

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in new zealand

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by that time uh gosh it would have been

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83 i think 1983 robert muldoon was the

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former prime minister of new zealand and

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um a bit like your ex-presidents you

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know they like to pompously pontificate

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every now and then when given the

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opportunity and at christmas times he'd

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sit in his beach bungalow way up on the

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north cape of new zealand

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and we'd always send a journal and a

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photographer up to get the former prime

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minister's comments because he was good

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copy and so i spent a day and a half

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with the former prime minister and got

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to know him reasonably well

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and we raised

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the issue of ufos the kaikoura lights

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sighting from 1978

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and muldoon i won't go into a lot of the

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detail because it was essentially a

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background check he's passed away now

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but he admitted to me that

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the americans were involved in trying to

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dampen down public awareness of the

383
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kaikoura lights story

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and um i can remember he did this he

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sort of went

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we had to quieten that one down a bit

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the americans were concerned that things

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were getting out of hand you know and it

389
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was amazing to me that the americans

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would be that actively involved in

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trying to shut down a story which is

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essentially what they did because

393
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now having reviewed the kaikoura case

394
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there's a huge clash a huge

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inconsistency in the evidence that was

396
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that of direct witnesses

397
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people who saw the radar evidence who

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challenged the accepted new zealand air

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force assertions that the radar was

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faulty which is what they came out and

401
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said

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it made me realize that somebody was

403
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telling porkys somebody wasn't actually

404
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and then

405
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later on in journalism

406
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i periodically would come across ufo

407
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stories

408
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as i kind of went up in the progressions

409
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in the hierarchy i often had sort of

410
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semi-managerial roles where i was

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allocating reporters to stories

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and i soon learned that there was a

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stigma a ridicule attached to the

414
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phenomenon which meant that ufo stories

415
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rarely if ever have got coverage in the

416
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newspapers that wasn't

417
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ridiculed or stigmatized in some way you

418
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know there was always on television

419
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x-files music running behind the um the

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vision or

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the news reader would would sort of give

422
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that kind of ironic look in his eye and

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do a bit of a smirk and suggest this is

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one of those sort of stories that's a

425
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bit of fun towards the end of the bullet

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and don't take it seriously

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and i never understood that because

428
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a couple of times i pitched stories i

429
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was working for a show called sunday

430
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night which is a

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i looked like a pbs frontline or

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something like that in america and

433
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you know we did

434
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long-form investigative stories and

435
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i was actually being sent to london to

436
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interview paul mccartney i think oh my

437
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god i'm jealous and um and we got we got

438
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uh paul sadly postponed on us and so we

439
00:16:55,269 --> 00:16:53,040
had a few days where i had nothing to do

440
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and editors hate it when expensive

441
00:16:59,110 --> 00:16:57,519
journalists with film crews have nothing

442
00:17:01,430 --> 00:16:59,120
to do when they're being paid to stay in

443
00:17:03,430 --> 00:17:01,440
a place like london and i was sort of

444
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physically lining up all these places

445
00:17:06,789 --> 00:17:05,280
fantastic book shops i wanted to go to

446
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and clubs and

447
00:17:11,429 --> 00:17:10,319
bars and gloves you're clubbing

448
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in london

449
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and uh and then he rang me and he says

450
00:17:18,549 --> 00:17:16,079
rosco haven't you got a story in suffolk

451
00:17:20,789 --> 00:17:18,559
some bloody ufo story you know yeah yeah

452
00:17:21,909 --> 00:17:20,799
it's the it's the ref bentwater story i

453
00:17:24,870 --> 00:17:21,919
said you know there's a really

454
00:17:28,950 --> 00:17:24,880
interesting case of a ufo sighting

455
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in uh christmas of um 1980 uh in uh

456
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suffolk in uh rendelsham forest adjacent

457
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to an air base called raph bed waters

458
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and of course we ended up interviewing

459
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the witnesses to

460
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that incredible sighting

461
00:17:44,549 --> 00:17:41,520
[Music]

462
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where charles holt colonel charles holt

463
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actually audio recorded what he was

464
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describing as it was coming through the

465
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forest

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documentary

467
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yeah

468
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that was good and the um the thing that

469
00:18:01,110 --> 00:17:58,720
really interested me was

470
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also in the binkwaters case

471
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numerous of the witnesses described

472
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being threatened to shut up about what

473
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they saw

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and

475
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at one stage there was a um

476
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gosh i've forgotten her name and i

477
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apologize if i've got her name wrong but

478
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i think it was georgina bruni

479
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she wrote a book which was called you

480
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can't tell the people

481
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and i was given this by one of the

482
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witnesses from the bent waters case and

483
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she described a conversation she'd had

484
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with margaret thatcher the then prime

485
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minister of england

486
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and she raised as a senior journalist

487
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she'd raised with thatcher the whole

488
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bent waters case and asked that child

489
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what she thought about it

490
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and apparently thatcher had leaned

491
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across in the course of the dinner and

492
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said you can't tell the people

493
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and i'm skeptical of assertions like

494
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that to be honest at the best of times

495
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you know we have to be

496
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journals don't believe in conspiracy

497
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theories they're very rare you know

498
00:19:02,230 --> 00:18:59,600
frankly

499
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politicians can't hide stuff most of the

500
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time we know it um

501
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is that very true

502
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i'm sorry is that true do you think it

503
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would be

504
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nearly impossible to hide something like

505
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this for 75 years well look i do think

506
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it's possible to hide it and i'll get to

507
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that but um

508
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when it comes to um

509
00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:20,960
you know sort of glib day-to-day stuff

510
00:19:23,590 --> 00:19:22,320
you know sexual harassment of their

511
00:19:25,110 --> 00:19:23,600
staff or something something like that

512
00:19:26,789 --> 00:19:25,120
politicians think they've got away with

513
00:19:28,310 --> 00:19:26,799
that kind of stuff but it it's really

514
00:19:29,909 --> 00:19:28,320
not the case you know it's generally

515
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fairly well known

516
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but um it it impressed me that uh bruni

517
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had got this quote from

518
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the former prime minister and it looked

519
00:19:40,549 --> 00:19:38,640
solid from the people that i spoke to

520
00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:40,559
about it that you know thatcher had said

521
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this

522
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and i was really struck in the

523
00:19:47,350 --> 00:19:44,880
rendulcham case how many of the

524
00:19:49,110 --> 00:19:47,360
witnesses told me that there'd been

525
00:19:50,789 --> 00:19:49,120
a cover-up that they'd been threatened

526
00:19:53,110 --> 00:19:50,799
and ordered not to talk about what they

527
00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:53,120
saw and then

528
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as time went on when i started doing my

529
00:20:01,510 --> 00:19:57,679
book research one of the cases we looked

530
00:20:02,710 --> 00:20:01,520
at here in australia was the 1966

531
00:20:04,950 --> 00:20:02,720
westall

532
00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:04,960
ufo sighting which is another one of

533
00:20:07,750 --> 00:20:06,480
these mess

534
00:20:10,230 --> 00:20:07,760
school children

535
00:20:13,430 --> 00:20:10,240
sightings literally in broad daylight

536
00:20:15,909 --> 00:20:13,440
6th of april 1966

537
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a bunch of about 200 plus kids come

538
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running out onto the school's footy

539
00:20:20,310 --> 00:20:18,320
field

540
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for play time it's about 10 30 in the

541
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morning beautiful crystal blue sky day

542
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and um there's a teacher with them

543
00:20:30,870 --> 00:20:28,320
called andrew greenwood who's gone on

544
00:20:32,549 --> 00:20:30,880
the record with me and my film

545
00:20:35,830 --> 00:20:32,559
and they look up

546
00:20:38,470 --> 00:20:35,840
and they see three elliptical metallic

547
00:20:40,070 --> 00:20:38,480
discs no more than 50 to 100 meters away

548
00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:40,080
hovering over here

549
00:20:43,669 --> 00:20:41,520
there's no sand

550
00:20:44,710 --> 00:20:43,679
there's no plasma blow or anything like

551
00:20:45,430 --> 00:20:44,720
that

552
00:20:47,110 --> 00:20:45,440
but

553
00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:47,120
all of them i mean there are dozens of

554
00:20:51,350 --> 00:20:49,600
these witnesses to this day 55 years

555
00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:51,360
later

556
00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:53,440
to this day all of them bear witness to

557
00:20:57,909 --> 00:20:54,960
the fact that this was not a weather

558
00:21:01,110 --> 00:20:57,919
balloon it wasn't any kind of balloon it

559
00:21:02,789 --> 00:21:01,120
was an intelligently controlled craft

560
00:21:04,630 --> 00:21:02,799
with lights underneath

561
00:21:06,870 --> 00:21:04,640
and one in one witness terry that i

562
00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:06,880
spoke to described even

563
00:21:11,909 --> 00:21:09,280
walking up to one of these objects in

564
00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:11,919
the bush adjacent to the school

565
00:21:15,909 --> 00:21:14,080
and holding her hand up like this a few

566
00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:15,919
meters away and feeling the enormous

567
00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:16,720
heat

568
00:21:21,750 --> 00:21:19,200
from the side of the craft as she called

569
00:21:24,549 --> 00:21:21,760
it and she said she could see the lights

570
00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:24,559
purple lights running on the underside

571
00:21:29,270 --> 00:21:27,360
of the object whatever it was

572
00:21:31,350 --> 00:21:29,280
fascinating absolutely fascinating but

573
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:31,360
what was even more fascinating to me was

574
00:21:34,390 --> 00:21:33,360
what poor old andrew greenwood told me

575
00:21:37,510 --> 00:21:34,400
because

576
00:21:40,070 --> 00:21:37,520
55 years on from this incident

577
00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:40,080
andrew for the first time went public

578
00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:41,360
and admitted

579
00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:43,360
on camera that

580
00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:46,080
he was threatened uh there were two men

581
00:21:50,549 --> 00:21:48,080
who turned up on his doorstep two weeks

582
00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:50,559
after the school sighting incident

583
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:52,159
one of them was an air force officer a

584
00:21:56,070 --> 00:21:54,240
man dressed in the senior

585
00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:56,080
uniform of an air force officer of the

586
00:22:00,470 --> 00:21:58,559
new zealand of the australian air force

587
00:22:02,549 --> 00:22:00,480
and the other was probably somebody from

588
00:22:04,789 --> 00:22:02,559
police or intelligence services who was

589
00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:04,799
wearing civilian clothes

590
00:22:09,029 --> 00:22:07,600
and they flatly threatened him

591
00:22:11,350 --> 00:22:09,039
they told him that if he spoke about

592
00:22:13,350 --> 00:22:11,360
what he saw they would slur him with the

593
00:22:14,710 --> 00:22:13,360
false allegation that he was drunk and

594
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:14,720
make sure he

595
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:17,760
lost his license to teach as a teacher

596
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:20,159
and for that reason he kept quiet about

597
00:22:24,070 --> 00:22:22,240
it for quite a few decades and i think

598
00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:24,080
he spoke to my friend and colleague

599
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:27,520
james fox anonymously for james's superb

600
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:29,440
film the phenomenon

601
00:22:33,750 --> 00:22:31,360
and then um with a bit of encouragement

602
00:22:35,350 --> 00:22:33,760
from me a few months ago he finally went

603
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:35,360
public and said i'll bagger it let's

604
00:22:39,110 --> 00:22:37,200
just talk on the record what have i got

605
00:22:40,630 --> 00:22:39,120
to hide and

606
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:40,640
you know that's evidence of a cover-up

607
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:43,440
that's evidence of somebody from our um

608
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:45,120
our government agencies basically

609
00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:47,039
interceding to stop this story from

610
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:49,200
becoming publicly known

611
00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:51,120
why don't people believe witness

612
00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:54,720
testimony is so frustrating and

613
00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:57,840
to all these witnesses if

614
00:23:02,230 --> 00:22:58,640
it's

615
00:23:03,430 --> 00:23:02,240
um degradating you know look it is but i

616
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:03,440
i think you know when you've only got

617
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:05,520
one witness to a controversial incident

618
00:23:09,750 --> 00:23:07,440
i can understand why there's skepticism

619
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:09,760
about witness testimony because as a

620
00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:12,000
former lawyer myself a journalist you

621
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:13,679
know i've sat through court cases where

622
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:15,840
i've seen how unreliable an individual

623
00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:18,480
witness can be sometimes you know and

624
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:20,480
good cross-examination can sometimes

625
00:23:26,470 --> 00:23:23,760
reveal that but one thing i don't accept

626
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:26,480
is the way that some in science

627
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:28,799
arrogantly dictate that they are the

628
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:31,520
gatekeepers to information and that no

629
00:23:35,669 --> 00:23:33,280
witness is is ever going to be a good

630
00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:35,679
witness as far as they're concerned

631
00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:36,559
because

632
00:23:41,029 --> 00:23:38,159
in america i mean you

633
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:41,039
sadly you send people to their deaths in

634
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:42,480
jails

635
00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:44,400
based on the evidence of witnesses you

636
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:47,120
know evidence is given by witnesses to

637
00:23:50,789 --> 00:23:49,039
criminally convict people of serious

638
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:50,799
offences that can actually see them sent

639
00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:52,880
to jail for life or indeed in some cases

640
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:55,039
given capital punishment

641
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:57,840
you know witness evidence is respected

642
00:24:02,630 --> 00:23:59,360
by our courts

643
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:02,640
and in the in the west all citing case

644
00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:05,600
there were over 200 witnesses many of

645
00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:08,559
whom still talked to me today you know i

646
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:10,240
i had the privilege of organizing a

647
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:12,320
reunion of some of these witnesses back

648
00:24:18,789 --> 00:24:16,080
in april uh a tenth of april this year

649
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:18,799
four days after the 55th anniversary of

650
00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:19,919
that event

651
00:24:23,669 --> 00:24:21,760
and it was hilarious because we brought

652
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:23,679
them all together these 60 something

653
00:24:25,730 --> 00:24:25,039
plus people

654
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:25,740
and um

655
00:24:28,470 --> 00:24:27,120
[Music]

656
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:28,480
they were all out little school kids

657
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:30,240
when we brought together and they i got

658
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:32,880
them to draw what they say they saw and

659
00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:35,760
each independently drew as you see in my

660
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:36,559
film

661
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:38,960
each independently drew a very

662
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:42,080
consistent realization of the same kind

663
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:45,120
of elliptical metallic disc shaped craft

664
00:24:49,269 --> 00:24:48,320
that they'd seen 55 years ago

665
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:49,279
and

666
00:24:54,390 --> 00:24:52,000
you know i think in law it's recognized

667
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:54,400
by judges and by the court system the

668
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:56,400
adversarial system of justice that we

669
00:25:01,029 --> 00:24:58,480
have that you can test witness evidence

670
00:25:01,909 --> 00:25:01,039
and you can assess it and

671
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:01,919
weigh it

672
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:03,679
and that's what i've been doing with my

673
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:05,919
book i've been assessing the evidence of

674
00:25:12,149 --> 00:25:09,360
witnesses that i've spoken to and

675
00:25:13,909 --> 00:25:12,159
other unimpeachable sources such as the

676
00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:13,919
government archives where you can

677
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:16,480
literally go as you can in america i

678
00:25:19,590 --> 00:25:18,159
mean there's some astonishing stuff in

679
00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:19,600
your archives

680
00:25:24,789 --> 00:25:22,799
you can go to archives

681
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:24,799
sometime i'll have to show you what i

682
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:26,640
found like recently i just found a

683
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:29,440
briefing by osi in august after

684
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:31,919
washington dc sightings

685
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:33,919
gave a briefing and they mentioned

686
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:37,200
everything from the mantel incident to

687
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:38,080
three

688
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:40,720
sightings at white sands one clock that

689
00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:43,679
i think it was mach 20.

690
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:46,159
incredible and they talk about it as if

691
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:48,480
it's fact so they're not saying people

692
00:25:51,510 --> 00:25:50,159
are saying this they're talking about

693
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:51,520
these incidents

694
00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:52,960
no that's that's something that i tried

695
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:55,520
to explain in my book sean that that

696
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:57,840
there hasn't always been what what our

697
00:26:02,390 --> 00:26:00,000
mutual friend steve bassett calls the tr

698
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:02,400
the truth embargo right

699
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:04,240
in the 40s and the 50s there were

700
00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:06,240
actually people in your defense and

701
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:08,720
intelligence services and in ours in

702
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:10,640
australia in our um

703
00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:12,240
office of the joint intelligence

704
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:14,080
organization and our defence science

705
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:16,400
organisation there were people who were

706
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:17,840
actually dedicated to getting to the

707
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:19,840
truth of solving this mystery and and

708
00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:22,640
there was a a genuine

709
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:25,120
sharing of information between

710
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:27,120
our defence

711
00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:29,760
air force intelligence office and your

712
00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:31,120
air force office of special

713
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:33,440
investigations and there was an exchange

714
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:35,039
of information that's shown in the

715
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:36,960
paperwork that i've seen

716
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:38,480
and it's fascinating because there

717
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:40,559
definitely is a link with nuclear

718
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:41,679
weapons

719
00:26:47,110 --> 00:26:43,919
i think so my friend and colleague

720
00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:47,120
robert hastings who's written a superb

721
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:51,360
book often underrated ufos and nukes

722
00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:53,279
it's only available privately from

723
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:56,000
robert but i so commend it to anyone

724
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:58,080
it's a phenomenal piece of investigative

725
00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:59,200
research

726
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:01,440
and he's looked at the pattern of

727
00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:03,840
sightings of unidentified aerial

728
00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:04,960
phenomena

729
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:07,760
over military installations that are

730
00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:11,679
connected to nuclear weapons and

731
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:14,000
i was fascinated by this so at robert's

732
00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:16,880
suggestion i looked at sites like north

733
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:20,080
west cape naval communications station

734
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:21,440
on

735
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:24,720
in wa's far northwest coast which is

736
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:26,159
even though it's not very well known

737
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:28,640
it's much lesser known than pine gap

738
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:30,640
which is the secret base that america

739
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:32,720
operates with australia in the middle of

740
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:36,640
central australia near uluru as rock

741
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:39,279
northwest capes naval communications

742
00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:41,279
stations probably more significant in

743
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:43,200
terms of nuclear weapons

744
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:44,320
because

745
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:47,200
in the 1960s when it was built these

746
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:49,279
huge 360

747
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:51,600
meter high masks

748
00:27:57,029 --> 00:27:54,480
that extend way way up into the sky on a

749
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:57,039
kind of a martian outback landscape of

750
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:58,399
red dirt

751
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:01,200
these masts are used to send very low

752
00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:03,360
frequency signals out into the indian

753
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:06,320
ocean and the um southern pacific ocean

754
00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:07,919
in southeast asia

755
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:10,000
to communicate with what was back then

756
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:12,000
american polaris missile armed

757
00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:14,240
submarines that could launch when they

758
00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:16,799
were given the signal and the vlf

759
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:18,559
signals allow the signal to go

760
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:20,159
underwater

761
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:22,159
to about 80 feet i understand and then

762
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:23,919
the submarines would come closer to the

763
00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:25,279
surface

764
00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:27,200
deploy a buoy that would basically then

765
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:28,880
pick up the orders from the president to

766
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:30,399
launch the missiles and

767
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:32,559
it's gobsmacking to me as an australian

768
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:35,039
citizen that that a base like this was

769
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:37,360
built in australia and nobody really

770
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:39,120
knew what it was

771
00:28:43,750 --> 00:28:41,840
but um the interesting thing is that it

772
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:43,760
is ground zero for the most

773
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:46,720
extraordinary series of anomalous uap

774
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:48,880
sightings going back decades since it

775
00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:50,960
was built in the mid 60s

776
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:52,000
and

777
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:54,720
i start the book by telling a story of a

778
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:56,559
young woman called annie who witnessed

779
00:29:00,950 --> 00:29:00,000
an extraordinary giant triangular craft

780
00:29:03,990 --> 00:29:00,960
over

781
00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:04,000
her road running from exmouth to this

782
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:06,559
naval base in the middle of the night

783
00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:08,480
and it was witnessed by her and two

784
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:10,640
police officers and as it turns out by

785
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:12,640
other townsfolk as well who'd seen

786
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:15,120
similar objects that same evening

787
00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:16,640
and um

788
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:19,360
it fascinates me that that there is this

789
00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:21,120
nexus if you like between nuclear

790
00:29:27,190 --> 00:29:24,559
weapons and these anomalous objects

791
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:27,200
right and it's you know i think after a

792
00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:29,679
while when as i have done i'm aware now

793
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:31,279
of dozens of

794
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:34,480
sightings of anomalous objects orbs

795
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:38,399
triangular craft spheres over the space

796
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:41,279
something intelligently controlled

797
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:46,470
intelligent

798
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:48,559
yeah you know it's definitely definitely

799
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:51,120
intelligently controlled but but i

800
00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:53,039
thought it was all new you know and then

801
00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:54,480
to come back to what you were talking

802
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:55,600
about

803
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:57,840
when i looked at the historical record

804
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:59,679
and looked at what had been happening in

805
00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:01,440
australia's defense department in the

806
00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:04,240
1940s 50s and 60s

807
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:05,840
it turned out they were seeing these

808
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:08,880
objects like just before roswell in 1947

809
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:09,840
there was

810
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:11,840
sightings of five

811
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:14,799
egg kind of tic-tac-shaped objects being

812
00:30:19,350 --> 00:30:17,200
seen zooming across australia by

813
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:19,360
multiple independent witnesses that were

814
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:20,640
corroborated

815
00:30:24,789 --> 00:30:22,559
investigated by the defense department

816
00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:24,799
and since to the air force intelligence

817
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:26,880
department's files

818
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:28,240
and um

819
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:30,320
when i sort of went through the one of

820
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:31,760
the things that's not really well known

821
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:33,440
in australia as well is this huge

822
00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:35,279
scandal about the nuclear testing that

823
00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:37,600
was done by the british

824
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:39,919
often with completely scant disregard

825
00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:41,520
for

826
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:43,679
the health and safety of their troops

827
00:30:46,789 --> 00:30:44,880
that were present

828
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:46,799
the british were testing nuclear weapons

829
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:50,000
at a place called maralinga in the 1950s

830
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:52,480
and 60s in south australia in the middle

831
00:30:56,789 --> 00:30:54,640
of nowhere in south australia

832
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:56,799
and they were also testing at a place

833
00:31:02,310 --> 00:30:59,279
called warmer within the same area

834
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:02,320
icbm missiles they were originally

835
00:31:05,669 --> 00:31:04,080
starting with the v2 rockets that they'd

836
00:31:07,830 --> 00:31:05,679
taken from the nazis and they were

837
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:07,840
developing intercontinental ballistic

838
00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:10,399
missile technology as delivery platforms

839
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:12,080
for nuclear weapons and

840
00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:14,720
again you know clearly a site that is

841
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:17,840
linked to nuclear weapons and

842
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:19,760
all the way through those files in the

843
00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:22,480
1950s and 60s there are repeated

844
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:24,159
sightings of

845
00:31:29,509 --> 00:31:27,120
craft not just objects craft

846
00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:29,519
and one of my favorites is a cook who

847
00:31:33,509 --> 00:31:31,919
was sitting in an outdoor cinema and he

848
00:31:35,909 --> 00:31:33,519
literally is sitting in the outdoor

849
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:35,919
cinema watching a movie and the way he

850
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:37,919
describes it a flying saucer with

851
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:40,799
windows flew slowly overhead and was

852
00:31:45,509 --> 00:31:43,440
seen by him and multiple other witnesses

853
00:31:47,509 --> 00:31:45,519
and this sighting report is actually in

854
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:47,519
the defense department archives and

855
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:49,760
fastidiously detailed and investigated

856
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:51,440
by

857
00:31:57,029 --> 00:31:54,640
air force investigators where was that

858
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:57,039
that was in south australia at a place

859
00:32:02,149 --> 00:31:59,279
called

860
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:02,159
my grandpa was a cook in the navy

861
00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:04,000
and he saw

862
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:08,480
a cigar shaped craft with windows on it

863
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:10,720
yeah so that that's pretty interesting

864
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:12,880
yeah the the shapes

865
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:14,640
is so

866
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:17,679
can i ask you something a little off uh

867
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:20,320
topic of nuts and bolts

868
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:23,039
um what do you think

869
00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:26,080
the human conscious has to do with this

870
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:28,480
i think a lot i mean i i think it's

871
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:30,799
funny i've i've got a good friend jay of

872
00:32:35,509 --> 00:32:33,360
project unity jay anderson who lives

873
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:35,519
over in nottingham in the uk

874
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:36,960
and he's really getting into this in

875
00:32:40,950 --> 00:32:39,120
fact he's done a fantastic piece today

876
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:40,960
about

877
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:42,960
the comparisons between the way human

878
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:44,640
consciousness developed

879
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:46,320
almost like mushroom

880
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:48,720
networks you know the the way mushrooms

881
00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:50,480
communicate in nature

882
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:52,720
and he talks about the um the the

883
00:32:57,669 --> 00:32:55,679
networks that possibly led to this uber

884
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:57,679
consciousness that that he thinks might

885
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:59,279
explain

886
00:33:03,509 --> 00:33:01,440
some or part or indeed possibly all of

887
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:03,519
the phenomenon um

888
00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:06,240
i have a huge respect for example for

889
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:07,760
jacques valle

890
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:10,320
obviously the grandfather of ufology uh

891
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:12,080
internationally but based in san

892
00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:13,600
francisco

893
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:15,519
who who's written many times in his

894
00:33:20,950 --> 00:33:18,080
books that the extraterrestrial

895
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:20,960
hypothesis is too simple to explain this

896
00:33:23,909 --> 00:33:22,240
phenomenon

897
00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:23,919
and that ultimately what we're going to

898
00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:26,720
find is that the best explanation lies

899
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:28,559
somewhere in human consciousness and

900
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:30,000
perception

901
00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:32,080
and it it fascinates me because there's

902
00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:34,960
quite a few clues about this in my

903
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:36,080
research

904
00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:38,000
one of the documents that fell off the

905
00:33:42,789 --> 00:33:40,480
back of a truck that was obtained by um

906
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:42,799
another jay in the uk called the mind

907
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:44,399
sublime blog

908
00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:47,760
he procured this slide called slide 9.

909
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:51,039
[Laughter]

910
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:54,480
it's a it's a briefing slide used by the

911
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:58,000
then atip advanced aerospace

912
00:34:01,509 --> 00:33:58,960
threat

913
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:01,519
identification program investigators the

914
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:04,000
people who are investigating ufos

915
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:06,399
in a dia-funded investigation

916
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:09,040
for the office of um the under secretary

917
00:34:13,349 --> 00:34:11,040
for defence intelligence

918
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:13,359
um

919
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:15,760
it describes a phenomenon that can

920
00:34:22,069 --> 00:34:19,200
manipulate human consciousness

921
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:22,079
and that essentially alters human

922
00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:24,240
perception so what does that mean where

923
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:26,320
does it leave us can we trust anything

924
00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:27,200
we

925
00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:29,599
think you know

926
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:30,800
it is really interesting but it's

927
00:34:34,629 --> 00:34:32,480
fascinating to me this is the thing that

928
00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:34,639
i find weird is this cognitive

929
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:36,000
dissonance

930
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:36,879
where

931
00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:38,639
as i've said on a number of interviews

932
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:40,159
you know i like putting the booth in on

933
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:42,399
this because as a journalist myself i

934
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:44,159
covered this war and i still don't

935
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:46,320
understand why we went there you know we

936
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:49,679
were all led into war in iraq based on

937
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:52,159
completely untrue intelligence about

938
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:53,760
saddam hussein and

939
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:55,839
weapons of mass destruction

940
00:35:00,069 --> 00:34:56,879
and the

941
00:35:02,630 --> 00:35:00,079
media the mainstream media became a

942
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:02,640
willing sycophant to that whole

943
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:03,760
narrative

944
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:05,440
and essentially talk to the rest of the

945
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:07,680
planet into agreeing to go into a combat

946
00:35:11,829 --> 00:35:09,680
that has probably arguably left the

947
00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:11,839
middle east a far more dangerous place

948
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:13,520
now than it was before

949
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:15,839
that's not to justify the appalling

950
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:18,240
tyranny of saddam hussein

951
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:19,200
but

952
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:20,800
the reality is that the narrative there

953
00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:22,320
that i'm interested in is the way the

954
00:35:26,790 --> 00:35:24,720
media unquestioningly accepted the

955
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:26,800
intelligence that was provided to them

956
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:29,200
by general colin powell of the united

957
00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:31,280
nations and other senior figures in the

958
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:33,920
administration of the bush presidency

959
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:35,839
when there were reservations that could

960
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:38,560
have been explored properly by good

961
00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:40,800
thorough investigative journalism

962
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:43,760
and i see a relationship with that level

963
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:46,960
of glib acceptance of evidence

964
00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:48,960
with the way that the mainstream media

965
00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:51,520
increasingly just takes this tired

966
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:54,160
ridicule position towards anything

967
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:56,079
relating to uaps

968
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:58,640
and it's so old hat it really is it's

969
00:36:02,950 --> 00:36:00,720
it's ridiculously out of date with what

970
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:02,960
we now know to be the case

971
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:04,880
that ever since the pentagon formally

972
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:06,800
admitted the reality of the ufo

973
00:36:11,829 --> 00:36:09,200
phenomenon that there is indeed a

974
00:36:13,109 --> 00:36:11,839
mystery there is a genuine mystery

975
00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:13,119
officially

976
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:15,119
which went over everyone said by the way

977
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:17,359
exactly completely completely missed by

978
00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:19,599
the media but they still peddle this

979
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:21,920
ridiculous stigma line i mean i i did an

980
00:36:25,589 --> 00:36:23,920
interview with a radio station a popular

981
00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:25,599
commercial radio station here in

982
00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:27,680
australia this morning to promote my

983
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:28,960
book

984
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:30,160
and uh

985
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:31,680
really gave me the shits that before

986
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:33,440
they brought me on they had the x-files

987
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:34,960
music running in the background and the

988
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:36,240
announcer

989
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:37,680
he felt the need

990
00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:39,119
to essentially

991
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:41,839
ridicule the subject before it came on

992
00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:44,079
and he was talking about the ufo nutters

993
00:36:47,829 --> 00:36:46,160
and believers and i i came on and i said

994
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:47,839
look um

995
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:49,520
you know g'day mate i'm i'm one of those

996
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:51,839
ufo nutters and i'm here to tell you

997
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:55,920
it's real you know because i think that

998
00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:58,800
we have to correct the perception it's

999
00:37:03,190 --> 00:37:01,440
time to adjust public perception about

1000
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:03,200
the phenomenon because i think people

1001
00:37:07,829 --> 00:37:04,720
have been fed

1002
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:07,839
a disinformation line for so long

1003
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:10,160
yes there are people who are sadly

1004
00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:13,040
deluded um and that's not to slur any

1005
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:15,680
particular group of people in ufology

1006
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:17,040
you know there are people who are

1007
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:18,560
mentally ill

1008
00:37:21,910 --> 00:37:20,160
but that doesn't mean that everybody in

1009
00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:21,920
the subject area is mentally ill or

1010
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:23,200
diluted

1011
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:24,000
and

1012
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:24,880
you know

1013
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:26,000
just because

1014
00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:28,000
in other stories i've come across people

1015
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:29,440
who are clearly

1016
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:31,760
um not telling me the truth doesn't mean

1017
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:33,200
that i should treat the whole subject

1018
00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:34,800
matter with the kind of

1019
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:37,359
taboo and stigma that that ufology is

1020
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:38,400
treated with

1021
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:40,800
by much in the mainstream media and yes

1022
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:43,440
you know i'm just gobsmacked i mean i've

1023
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:45,680
continued honestly as a journo it's a

1024
00:37:50,870 --> 00:37:48,480
dream for me i've never had

1025
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:50,880
the volume and intensity of public

1026
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:54,240
interest to a story as i have to my book

1027
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:57,040
and the documentary that i made it's

1028
00:38:01,270 --> 00:37:59,119
exciting it's it's lovely and it's kind

1029
00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:01,280
of a journo's dream because

1030
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:03,280
there's so many fruitful leads of

1031
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:06,400
investigation and frankly i kind of hope

1032
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:08,000
the rest of the mainstream media doesn't

1033
00:38:12,069 --> 00:38:10,160
get on the bandwagon because it's all

1034
00:38:13,589 --> 00:38:12,079
mine at the moment you know i love it

1035
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:13,599
and uh you know with the notable

1036
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:16,320
exceptions of fantastic journal like um

1037
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:19,760
tim mcmillan mj bonaires brian bender

1038
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:21,599
you know leslie kane ruff blumenthal

1039
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:24,000
there's a few in mainstream tom rogan

1040
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:25,760
you know there's very few people at

1041
00:38:31,349 --> 00:38:27,359
mainstream media that are actually

1042
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:32,950
you know if i was in washington right

1043
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:35,359
now oh my god i would just be kicking

1044
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:37,200
the tires of the subject matter and

1045
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:39,200
rolling over as many rocks as i could

1046
00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:42,640
because there is no follow-up you know

1047
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:44,800
yeah there's no follow-up this happens

1048
00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:46,880
report comes out and the media seem like

1049
00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:48,480
they're starting to

1050
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:50,240
catch on a little bit

1051
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:52,560
and then they don't make they don't make

1052
00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:54,800
any follow-ups you know

1053
00:38:59,190 --> 00:38:56,800
well they do look to be honest with you

1054
00:39:00,710 --> 00:38:59,200
part of the issue frankly uh sean is

1055
00:39:05,670 --> 00:39:00,720
that

1056
00:39:08,069 --> 00:39:05,680
in the u.s air force in particular and

1057
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:08,079
also in your cia in fact i know there

1058
00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:10,320
are who don't want this story out

1059
00:39:13,829 --> 00:39:11,920
they're trying to control the narrative

1060
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:13,839
and look i actually think they're doing

1061
00:39:18,790 --> 00:39:16,400
it for what they perceive to be

1062
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:18,800
genuine public interest reasons i think

1063
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:21,200
they're worried that now is not a good

1064
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:24,400
time for this whole story for the full

1065
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:26,240
exposition of what the united states

1066
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:29,040
government actually knows to come up

1067
00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:31,040
because we are in

1068
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:33,599
kind of dangerous times i mean yeah i'm

1069
00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:35,359
just down the road where i live from

1070
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:37,280
canberra which is australia's capital

1071
00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:39,680
and there are a lot of

1072
00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:41,920
defense intelligence people there who i

1073
00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:45,040
talk to regularly who who talk to me

1074
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:47,119
almost with an air of inevitability

1075
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:49,760
about the coming war with china

1076
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:51,520
and uh you know i've got a horrible

1077
00:39:54,829 --> 00:39:53,280
feeling that we're sleepwalking into a

1078
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:54,839
conflict with

1079
00:40:01,990 --> 00:39:59,040
china could be catastrophic frankly

1080
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:02,000
but i i can see why there are people in

1081
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:04,000
the u.s administration who probably

1082
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:05,680
think that there are higher priorities

1083
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:06,960
right now

1084
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:12,150
interestingly

1085
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:14,240
and i have to be careful here

1086
00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:16,800
i i think

1087
00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:18,640
it's inevitable

1088
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:21,040
that the whole story is going to come

1089
00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:23,280
out i think that what's happening at the

1090
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:24,640
moment i am

1091
00:40:29,589 --> 00:40:26,960
reasonably sure that the united states

1092
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:29,599
has recovered what i think louis lozando

1093
00:40:34,150 --> 00:40:32,400
referred to as exotic technology

1094
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:34,160
and uh maybe it might have been chris

1095
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:36,160
mellon but i'm reasonably sure that the

1096
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:38,079
united states has recovered what it

1097
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:41,599
believes is non-terrestrial alien

1098
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:42,880
technology

1099
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:45,040
and i don't say that lightly somebody

1100
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:46,480
like me doesn't put his journalistic

1101
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:48,000
reputation on the line to make an

1102
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:49,520
assertion like that without a lot of

1103
00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:50,640
evidence

1104
00:40:56,550 --> 00:40:53,839
and i've spoken to people notably on the

1105
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:56,560
record nat kobetz a former director of

1106
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:58,480
science and technology development for

1107
00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:00,079
the us navy

1108
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:02,640
who tells me or told me that the united

1109
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:05,119
states

1110
00:41:10,150 --> 00:41:08,880
he was told had recovered multiple

1111
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:10,160
craft

1112
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:12,480
now for whatever reason for the last 70

1113
00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:15,119
years they've been lying about that

1114
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:16,480
um

1115
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:17,760
and

1116
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:19,920
it's funny because i noticed my friend

1117
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:22,800
leslie kane has said that she thinks

1118
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:25,280
it's very likely that the united states

1119
00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:26,720
has recovered

1120
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:28,079
et craft

1121
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:31,280
so does ralph blumenthal

1122
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:33,359
other people i've spoken to in your

1123
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:36,240
national security infrastructure have

1124
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:38,160
confirmed the same thing to me on a

1125
00:41:41,589 --> 00:41:40,079
background basis

1126
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:41,599
but i think what people are wrestling

1127
00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:44,960
with is whether this is the right time

1128
00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:46,319
and i think they're worried about

1129
00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:48,800
showing their hand to potential rivals

1130
00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:50,720
like the chinese or the russians let's

1131
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:52,319
be honest about it

1132
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:53,760
but

1133
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:57,990
there's never going to be a good time oh

1134
00:42:01,670 --> 00:41:59,440
my god you took the words right out of

1135
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:01,680
my head it's like there's never there's

1136
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:03,760
always going to be something yeah and i

1137
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:05,839
mean i i think also nothing would bring

1138
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:08,640
us together more as a planet

1139
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:09,920
and make

1140
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:12,000
national enmities more ridiculous and

1141
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:14,800
absurd than the notion the realization

1142
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:17,440
if that's the case if that's the case

1143
00:42:21,030 --> 00:42:19,119
that we are not alone

1144
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:21,040
if there is another higher intelligence

1145
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:23,040
that's operating out there

1146
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:25,440
imagine how humanity would respond to

1147
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:27,599
that notion if that's true

1148
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:31,680
and who like wars seem incredibly

1149
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:32,960
minuscule

1150
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:35,440
when something like that's on the table

1151
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:38,240
absolutely yeah they wouldn't have it

1152
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:39,839
yeah

1153
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:40,640
um

1154
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:42,400
thanks for sharing that i do appreciate

1155
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:43,440
it

1156
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,760
of

1157
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:49,680
uh conversation

1158
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:53,040
uh which i've noticed ftd is probably

1159
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:55,200
with moon dust a little bit do you have

1160
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:59,119
any idea what department that comes from

1161
00:43:02,309 --> 00:43:00,720
yeah so

1162
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:02,319
you're asking me about where the what

1163
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:04,000
department moon dust comes from or the

1164
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:06,240
foreign technology is that air force

1165
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:07,920
yeah yeah no it's

1166
00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:09,440
i'm very sure of it i mean you can

1167
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:11,280
actually see from the old acronyms that

1168
00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:13,280
are used in the air force documents i

1169
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:14,960
mean this is the thing that blows me

1170
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:17,359
away is that when you go into the cia's

1171
00:43:20,309 --> 00:43:19,200
own library or the air force's own

1172
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:20,319
archives

1173
00:43:25,910 --> 00:43:23,280
you can actually go to files that show

1174
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:25,920
that the air force's project moon dust

1175
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:28,880
recovery was involved in recovering

1176
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:31,440
craft that's the word they're using

1177
00:43:37,210 --> 00:43:34,800
disk shaped craft in the 1950s and the

1178
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:37,220
1960s from places like um

1179
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:38,400
[Music]

1180
00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:41,359
afghanistan pakistan and retrieving them

1181
00:43:46,230 --> 00:43:44,000
for extraction to the foreign technology

1182
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:46,240
division as it was then known which is

1183
00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:48,160
part of the wright patterson air force

1184
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:51,040
base i think in cleveland ohio

1185
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:52,560
and

1186
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:55,119
the interesting thing to me is

1187
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:58,720
that is now nasik na sic the national

1188
00:44:02,309 --> 00:44:00,000
air and space

1189
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:02,319
intelligence center which is absorbed

1190
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:08,470
you gotta watch my show i just did all

1191
00:44:11,630 --> 00:44:10,800
thing i don't know what sort of addict

1192
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:11,640
to

1193
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:14,800
n-a-i-s-c or whatever and it it was

1194
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:16,400
it's been at ray patterson the whole

1195
00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:17,359
time

1196
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:18,640
it has yeah

1197
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:20,400
and yeah and the fascinating thing is i

1198
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:21,520
don't know whether you've noticed but in

1199
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:24,640
the legislation the um bill that's been

1200
00:44:30,309 --> 00:44:26,960
written for the next appropriations for

1201
00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:30,319
the uap task force for the congress

1202
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:33,280
um the uap task force will be reporting

1203
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:34,319
to

1204
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:36,560
it'll be run by navy people which i

1205
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:39,119
think is incredibly significant but

1206
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:42,720
reporting to or under the aegis of nasik

1207
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:44,720
the national air and space intelligence

1208
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:46,720
center at right pat

1209
00:44:50,069 --> 00:44:48,240
and i'm a little nervous about that

1210
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:50,079
because frankly i do know even though

1211
00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:51,520
there's some good air force people that

1212
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:54,079
i've engaged with who are quite keen for

1213
00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:56,000
this issue to come out and for the

1214
00:45:00,069 --> 00:44:57,680
public to be told a lot more about what

1215
00:45:01,190 --> 00:45:00,079
america really knows and what the world

1216
00:45:03,829 --> 00:45:01,200
should know

1217
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:03,839
um there are sadly some old crusties in

1218
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:06,079
the u.s air force who frankly

1219
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:08,960
largely because of religious resistance

1220
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:11,359
are confronted about talking about this

1221
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:12,640
and um

1222
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:14,960
they've pompously the asses taken it

1223
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:17,040
upon themselves to rule that it won't be

1224
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:19,280
revealed and so there's this kind of

1225
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:21,119
clash that's going on at the very high

1226
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:23,280
levels of the u.s air force but i'm

1227
00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:25,680
actually heartened um i kind of waver

1228
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:26,960
like you know a few weeks ago i was

1229
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:29,200
getting very negative and worried

1230
00:45:32,309 --> 00:45:30,400
that the

1231
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:32,319
congress was going to be snowed and that

1232
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:34,400
there weren't going to be any kind of

1233
00:45:37,270 --> 00:45:35,599
hearings

1234
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:37,280
but then um

1235
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:38,720
you know steve bassett picked me up a

1236
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:41,040
bit he's an eternal optimist

1237
00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:42,880
but the uh

1238
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:44,079
the other thing is i've been talking to

1239
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:46,400
my own sources and

1240
00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:48,000
i get the impression that the numbers in

1241
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:50,079
the air force favor

1242
00:45:55,349 --> 00:45:52,400
a greater disclosure more than the

1243
00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:55,359
crusty old generals and

1244
00:46:00,230 --> 00:45:57,200
senior types who want the whole thing to

1245
00:46:02,150 --> 00:46:00,240
be sat on right and so so to be honest

1246
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:02,160
with you i wouldn't be surprised at all

1247
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:04,960
if what we get is a greater level of

1248
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:06,400
disclosure

1249
00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:09,119
but what they're trying to sit on if

1250
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:10,880
this is the case i mean i've only

1251
00:46:15,630 --> 00:46:12,960
expressed as a probability that i think

1252
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:15,640
that the u.s has recovered

1253
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:17,280
non-terrestrial

1254
00:46:20,309 --> 00:46:19,520
technology but i'm reasonably sure they

1255
00:46:22,230 --> 00:46:20,319
have

1256
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:22,240
i suspect they might try and sit on that

1257
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:24,240
evidence as long as they can

1258
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:25,440
because i would

1259
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:27,280
you know frankly if i had an alien

1260
00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:29,119
spacecraft jacked up on blocks in the

1261
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:31,280
back of area 51 or

1262
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:33,599
you know somewhere at a test range china

1263
00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:35,520
lake perhaps

1264
00:46:39,670 --> 00:46:37,760
yeah i and i can't run the bloody thing

1265
00:46:41,829 --> 00:46:39,680
i can't even find the on button

1266
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:41,839
you know i'd be keeping it quiet as long

1267
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:44,319
as possible and trying to plunder as

1268
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:46,079
much of the technology

1269
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:48,000
but the thing that fascinates me i had a

1270
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:49,520
really interesting conversation and this

1271
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:50,880
is jumping around a bit but i'll tell

1272
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:53,440
you anything it was a cool conversation

1273
00:46:57,750 --> 00:46:55,280
i was talking to somebody

1274
00:47:01,349 --> 00:46:57,760
um just in the last 24 hours with an

1275
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:01,359
awareness of what is known as the

1276
00:47:05,109 --> 00:47:02,960
program

1277
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:05,119
and they were telling me how because i'd

1278
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:06,560
said to them i'd said look if i was

1279
00:47:10,870 --> 00:47:08,319
president biden

1280
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:10,880
i can understand why there may be

1281
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:12,960
national security concerns and i'm not

1282
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:14,880
making excuses for this by the way but i

1283
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:16,319
can understand why some people in the

1284
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:18,000
defence hierarchy

1285
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:20,640
might take the view that a secret like

1286
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:21,680
recovered

1287
00:47:25,109 --> 00:47:23,359
extraterrestrial technology you might

1288
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:25,119
need to be protected you might not want

1289
00:47:28,870 --> 00:47:27,040
that out there as you know you don't

1290
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:28,880
want your rivals china and russia

1291
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:30,559
putting things on the line to try and

1292
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:31,760
find out

1293
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:33,599
more about the secret it's better to

1294
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:35,040
suppress it or at least keep them

1295
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:38,160
guessing about what you do have

1296
00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:40,319
but um

1297
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:41,760
they told me i said look you know i

1298
00:47:44,870 --> 00:47:42,960
don't understand why there's not a

1299
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:44,880
manhattan style project if that is the

1300
00:47:49,390 --> 00:47:47,760
case you know why are we keeping it in

1301
00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:49,400
very tight

1302
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:51,119
compartmentalized

1303
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:53,359
you know sci clearance top secret

1304
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:54,319
clearance

1305
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:56,720
right facilities that frankly

1306
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:59,119
by definition restrict scientific

1307
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:01,200
exchange of ideas

1308
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:03,280
and they i was funny i was only really

1309
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:05,520
sort of testing with them that thought

1310
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:07,680
and they just lept on it they said yes

1311
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:10,400
absolutely this is the issue

1312
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:11,680
you know um

1313
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:13,520
and i mean i don't

1314
00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:15,200
know whether this person is telling me

1315
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:17,280
the truth or not i think they are but

1316
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:19,040
but basically they purport to have a

1317
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:21,920
knowledge of recovered technology

1318
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:23,520
and they said to me they thought that

1319
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:25,200
yes there is a problem that that

1320
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:27,839
essentially the people that are working

1321
00:48:32,470 --> 00:48:30,480
on these projects they're very newtonian

1322
00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:32,480
scientists they're very nuts and bolts

1323
00:48:35,589 --> 00:48:33,760
scientists who

1324
00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:35,599
are essentially trained in newtonian

1325
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:36,640
physics

1326
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:38,800
and what we need are people who are

1327
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:40,480
broader thinkers

1328
00:48:43,829 --> 00:48:42,079
they even suggested to me that we bring

1329
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:43,839
in some remote viewers to try and

1330
00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:45,760
understand this technology which i

1331
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:47,359
thought was incredible

1332
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:48,770
but basically the um

1333
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:49,839
[Music]

1334
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:52,000
you know the the frustration was clear

1335
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:54,800
that there's been work being done in the

1336
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:56,000
black

1337
00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:58,000
and i'm sure a cost of billions of

1338
00:49:01,589 --> 00:49:00,400
dollars if not trillions of dollars to

1339
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:01,599
the u.s

1340
00:49:06,069 --> 00:49:03,839
for 70 plus years and they haven't got

1341
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:06,079
anywhere yeah

1342
00:49:10,150 --> 00:49:07,760
that's great yeah i mean they've

1343
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:10,160
developed concepts of stealth technology

1344
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:13,280
they've they've developed concepts of

1345
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:15,200
communications quantum communication

1346
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:17,680
systems but i i don't think they've made

1347
00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:19,200
the breakthroughs that they were hoping

1348
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:21,359
that they would make in the late 1930s

1349
00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:23,119
and as quickly as possible which is

1350
00:49:26,069 --> 00:49:25,040
probably behind why there were all these

1351
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:26,079
hints

1352
00:49:29,750 --> 00:49:28,400
in news media in the 50s and early 60s

1353
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:29,760
suggesting that there were imminent

1354
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:32,800
breakthroughs in anti-gravity

1355
00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:35,280
you know let's hypothesize and theorize

1356
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:37,040
for a moment maybe they were working on

1357
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:38,640
this technology in the black and they

1358
00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:40,480
were a lot more optimistic back then

1359
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:42,160
than they are now

1360
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:44,480
about their capacity to replicate what

1361
00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:47,680
sounds like awesome technology

1362
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:49,040
because you know this is the thing that

1363
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:51,440
blows me away sean is that i wrestle

1364
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:53,200
with this because sometimes i'll i'll

1365
00:49:56,309 --> 00:49:55,359
put down the phone or um

1366
00:49:58,309 --> 00:49:56,319
after a

1367
00:50:01,510 --> 00:49:58,319
exchange on secure apps with somebody

1368
00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:01,520
who i suspect knows a lot more

1369
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:03,119
and i'll just shake my head because it

1370
00:50:06,790 --> 00:50:05,440
just seems so mind-blowing to me what

1371
00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:06,800
we're talking about you know we're

1372
00:50:09,910 --> 00:50:08,319
talking about

1373
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:09,920
an intelligent

1374
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:11,359
life form

1375
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:12,800
operating

1376
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:14,240
advanced

1377
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:16,480
technology in our

1378
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:17,760
orbit

1379
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:20,400
atmosphere and even underwater

1380
00:50:24,829 --> 00:50:22,880
that may in fact not be extraterrestrial

1381
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:24,839
at all it may in fact be

1382
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:26,880
intra-terrestrial it may be part of this

1383
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:29,440
earth for a long long time

1384
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:36,549
and the fact is that there is evidence

1385
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:39,119
in controvertible evidence of the

1386
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:41,839
existence of this technology that has

1387
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:44,400
been confirmed officially

1388
00:50:48,309 --> 00:50:47,200
by the united states military

1389
00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:48,319
and

1390
00:50:53,589 --> 00:50:51,760
because i'm having these conversations

1391
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:53,599
with people

1392
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:55,760
and uh and it's can i tell you it's the

1393
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:58,559
thing i love about america it's that

1394
00:51:03,030 --> 00:51:00,559
exceptionalism that is a little boy i

1395
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:03,040
grew up with thinking that if there was

1396
00:51:07,270 --> 00:51:05,440
a streak of moral decency in the world

1397
00:51:08,950 --> 00:51:07,280
it was generally america that was behind

1398
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:08,960
it and i think it's lost a lot of that

1399
00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:11,520
blow in the last 30 years

1400
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:13,839
and this is something to be proud of you

1401
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:15,440
know this is the thing that i'm just

1402
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:17,280
gobsmacked about that if there is this

1403
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:18,720
technology

1404
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:21,119
sitting in a cave somewhere

1405
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:22,480
some of these people that are working on

1406
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:24,400
this i've engaged with

1407
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:25,680
and they are

1408
00:51:31,990 --> 00:51:29,440
honorable decent people who are thrilled

1409
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:32,000
to bits that this technology

1410
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:34,079
is in american hands

1411
00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:36,960
and what this represents potentially for

1412
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:39,040
and i know this sounds glib the three

1413
00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:40,400
world you know

1414
00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:41,680
people who don't live under

1415
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:44,240
authoritarian regimes who don't live

1416
00:51:48,790 --> 00:51:46,480
under dictatorships and the tyrannies of

1417
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:48,800
the fastest state like

1418
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:50,880
putin's russia or you know the tyranny

1419
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:53,119
of an authoritarian regime like

1420
00:51:57,430 --> 00:51:54,960
communist china

1421
00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:57,440
um as surfsike says this is the most

1422
00:52:02,549 --> 00:51:59,200
important story in human history it

1423
00:52:05,270 --> 00:52:02,559
really is yeah yeah and definitely i

1424
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:05,280
want you know i i think all of us at

1425
00:52:08,069 --> 00:52:06,240
heart

1426
00:52:09,990 --> 00:52:08,079
have grown up with the benefits of

1427
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:10,000
american military hegemony in the last

1428
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:13,520
75 76 years i'm grateful to the young

1429
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:15,920
men and women that i've served with

1430
00:52:20,549 --> 00:52:18,240
reporting in places like afghanistan and

1431
00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:20,559
iraq who have gone out and they've

1432
00:52:24,390 --> 00:52:23,040
defended what they wish were assured

1433
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:24,400
they were doing the right thing in the

1434
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:27,359
national interest to protect freedom

1435
00:52:32,230 --> 00:52:30,640
and they're honest good patriotic people

1436
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:32,240
there's that decency that can be

1437
00:52:36,230 --> 00:52:34,960
motivated and and um

1438
00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:36,240
utilized

1439
00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:38,720
and yet behind the scenes if what we're

1440
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:44,390
and i have a hunch that it is

1441
00:52:49,030 --> 00:52:47,520
there is this awesome technology

1442
00:52:52,230 --> 00:52:49,040
that i know

1443
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:52,240
american exceptionalism can harness

1444
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:55,200
you know the same kind of

1445
00:52:59,190 --> 00:52:56,880
capability

1446
00:53:01,510 --> 00:52:59,200
that created the space race

1447
00:53:03,030 --> 00:53:01,520
you know i i write in my book i can

1448
00:53:05,109 --> 00:53:03,040
remember as a little boy i was just

1449
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:05,119
always fascinated with the apollo moon

1450
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:06,559
missions

1451
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:08,800
and it just blew me away

1452
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:10,800
as a little boy looking up

1453
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:13,440
i think i was seven or eight at the time

1454
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:16,800
and thinking there are men on the moon

1455
00:53:21,109 --> 00:53:19,200
and we watched and they were americans

1456
00:53:24,069 --> 00:53:21,119
you know and they were they were doing

1457
00:53:25,990 --> 00:53:24,079
incredible things and that was a project

1458
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:26,000
that was achieved from when president

1459
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:30,720
kennedy made that pledge in 1963 or 62.

1460
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:32,640
it was achieved within eight years it

1461
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:34,240
was extraordinary

1462
00:53:38,549 --> 00:53:36,000
and i've got friends that worked on the

1463
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:38,559
space program australians who were so

1464
00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:40,480
thrilled and still have on their wall

1465
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:43,520
letters and plaques from verna von braun

1466
00:53:46,950 --> 00:53:44,880
and you know for them it was the

1467
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:46,960
highlight of their life to be able to be

1468
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:49,200
involved in a collaborative

1469
00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:51,359
scientific project

1470
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:52,800
that achieved

1471
00:53:58,470 --> 00:53:55,119
the impossible

1472
00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:58,480
and the thing i find perplexing

1473
00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:00,960
and the thing i just appeal

1474
00:54:04,309 --> 00:54:03,119
knowing what i know now and that i can't

1475
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:04,319
talk about

1476
00:54:10,710 --> 00:54:08,960
protect my sources

1477
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:10,720
the thing i would appeal to those

1478
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:12,160
gatekeepers

1479
00:54:17,670 --> 00:54:14,960
in the pentagon in intelligence services

1480
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:17,680
and particularly in a certain private

1481
00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:25,030
think about what could be achieved

1482
00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:27,280
if instead of keeping this in the black

1483
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:29,680
for the next 70 years which i fear may

1484
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:31,200
happen

1485
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:32,400
think about

1486
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:34,319
a president

1487
00:54:39,750 --> 00:54:37,200
creating a new manhattan project or a

1488
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:39,760
new apollo space program

1489
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:42,000
and deploying the resources the

1490
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:43,760
trillions of dollars that have been

1491
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:46,559
squandered on fighting stupid wars in

1492
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:49,200
the middle east for the last

1493
00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:51,280
30 40 years

1494
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:52,960
and deploy those resources into

1495
00:54:58,309 --> 00:54:55,680
harnessing that incredible technology

1496
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:58,319
you know we my friend nick cook who

1497
00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:00,720
wrote a brilliant book called the

1498
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:03,520
he's a clear person yeah he's been one

1499
00:55:07,750 --> 00:55:06,480
of my mentors through my research and 20

1500
00:55:08,789 --> 00:55:07,760
years ago

1501
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:08,799
yeah

1502
00:55:11,990 --> 00:55:10,480
and uh nick

1503
00:55:14,789 --> 00:55:12,000
20 years ago

1504
00:55:16,470 --> 00:55:14,799
he um tried to you know find out what

1505
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:16,480
had happened to the anti-gravity

1506
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:18,960
technology research that was being

1507
00:55:24,870 --> 00:55:22,079
talked about with such pride by people

1508
00:55:26,230 --> 00:55:24,880
inside the military industrial hierarchy

1509
00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:26,240
in your country

1510
00:55:29,510 --> 00:55:27,680
and it obviously went black you know

1511
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:29,520
there's been this secret program going

1512
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:31,599
on for years and i've spoken to some of

1513
00:55:35,829 --> 00:55:32,880
the people that are working in that

1514
00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:35,839
program and they tell me that brilliant

1515
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:38,880
things are being achieved but that to a

1516
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:41,440
large extent science is being frustrated

1517
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:44,160
by the one thing that science

1518
00:55:48,549 --> 00:55:46,400
needs that's being denied to them

1519
00:55:49,829 --> 00:55:48,559
which is openness and the exchange of

1520
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:49,839
ideas

1521
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:51,119
imagine if

1522
00:55:54,549 --> 00:55:52,880
and i mean i know this is a pipe dream

1523
00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:54,559
but imagine if we could resolve our

1524
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:57,200
differences with china and russia and if

1525
00:56:01,589 --> 00:55:58,960
as a world we could actually work

1526
00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:01,599
together in a humanitarian

1527
00:56:06,789 --> 00:56:03,920
ideal of developing anti-gravity

1528
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:06,799
technology free energy systems

1529
00:56:11,270 --> 00:56:08,640
you know harnessing power from the

1530
00:56:15,030 --> 00:56:11,280
vacuum zero point energy

1531
00:56:16,549 --> 00:56:15,040
um plasma containment for fusion energy

1532
00:56:18,549 --> 00:56:16,559
research

1533
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:18,559
each individual country in the world at

1534
00:56:23,829 --> 00:56:21,040
the moment i'm told is involved in a

1535
00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:23,839
mortal cold war race

1536
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:25,920
which is getting very very hot as each

1537
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:27,359
day goes by

1538
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:29,040
and so there are people sitting there in

1539
00:56:32,789 --> 00:56:30,960
the pentagon and this is driving i think

1540
00:56:35,589 --> 00:56:32,799
a lot of what's motivated the creation

1541
00:56:37,349 --> 00:56:35,599
of the space force command

1542
00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:37,359
you know there is this awareness of a

1543
00:56:43,349 --> 00:56:41,040
cold war going on behind the scenes in

1544
00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:43,359
your military the chinese military the

1545
00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:45,599
russian military you know each country

1546
00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:48,400
is trying to develop this technology

1547
00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:50,720
wouldn't it be wonderful if there could

1548
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:52,799
be a collaborative scientific effort

1549
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:55,680
that transcends that national security

1550
00:57:00,309 --> 00:56:57,520
imperative and does this for humanity's

1551
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:00,319
sake sure because i think we would lose

1552
00:57:06,230 --> 00:57:03,440
a sense of ourselves as americans or

1553
00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:06,240
australians or chinese or russian

1554
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:07,520
you know we could actually become

1555
00:57:11,910 --> 00:57:10,000
humanity and then embark on this great

1556
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:11,920
adventure that i'm sure is sitting there

1557
00:57:15,349 --> 00:57:13,359
waiting for us

1558
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:15,359
right right yeah if we can just get

1559
00:57:20,230 --> 00:57:18,160
through our divisions and realize that

1560
00:57:22,630 --> 00:57:20,240
we are all different and in that that

1561
00:57:23,829 --> 00:57:22,640
makes us the same you know

1562
00:57:26,549 --> 00:57:23,839
um

1563
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:26,559
and we're capable of such greater things

1564
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:28,640
when we do it together even on such

1565
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:31,440
minute tasks like building a coffee

1566
00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:35,280
table to going to mars you know it all

1567
00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:37,280
goes better together

1568
00:57:42,630 --> 00:57:41,280
um and your vision is is breathtaking

1569
00:57:45,109 --> 00:57:42,640
i have to say

1570
00:57:45,990 --> 00:57:45,119
um it puts me at a loss

1571
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:46,000
there are

1572
00:57:51,270 --> 00:57:49,440
i've spoken to

1573
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:51,280
who've shared with me because they want

1574
00:57:54,870 --> 00:57:52,880
people to know you know there is a

1575
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:54,880
debate going on

1576
00:57:58,470 --> 00:57:56,640
inside the black world about what the

1577
00:58:00,309 --> 00:57:58,480
public should be told

1578
00:58:01,750 --> 00:58:00,319
and i can tell you there's a scientific

1579
00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:01,760
frustration

1580
00:58:05,589 --> 00:58:03,760
that there are

1581
00:58:08,069 --> 00:58:05,599
old fashioned

1582
00:58:10,069 --> 00:58:08,079
generals and conservative heads of

1583
00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:10,079
narrow space companies that don't want

1584
00:58:14,710 --> 00:58:11,760
this story told

1585
00:58:17,190 --> 00:58:14,720
and it's funny because i i i i don't

1586
00:58:19,030 --> 00:58:17,200
like to think about why but i suspect

1587
00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:19,040
it's probably more out of a sense of

1588
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:21,200
embarrassment or fear of

1589
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:23,280
public excoriation

1590
00:58:27,270 --> 00:58:25,680
than it is a genuine sense of protecting

1591
00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:27,280
national security

1592
00:58:35,190 --> 00:58:32,069
they're

1593
00:58:35,990 --> 00:58:35,200
keeping this secret are unsustainable

1594
00:58:37,510 --> 00:58:36,000
and

1595
00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:37,520
you know it was

1596
00:58:40,870 --> 00:58:39,359
very clearly i mean i speculated about

1597
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:40,880
this in my book but i've since had

1598
00:58:44,870 --> 00:58:42,960
conversations with people who've

1599
00:58:47,510 --> 00:58:44,880
confirmed to me categorically that it

1600
00:58:49,829 --> 00:58:47,520
was the case hillary clinton as

1601
00:58:51,190 --> 00:58:49,839
president if she became president in

1602
00:58:52,150 --> 00:58:51,200
2016

1603
00:58:55,430 --> 00:58:52,160
was

1604
00:58:57,670 --> 00:58:55,440
going to be a disclosure president

1605
00:59:00,470 --> 00:58:57,680
she was going to push for the revelation

1606
00:59:02,710 --> 00:59:00,480
of what it is that the u.s knows

1607
00:59:05,750 --> 00:59:02,720
and i'm told she and bill have already

1608
00:59:07,270 --> 00:59:05,760
had a degree of briefing of what

1609
00:59:09,670 --> 00:59:07,280
is known

1610
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:09,680
and uh i take heart from the fact that

1611
00:59:13,829 --> 00:59:11,280
somebody with her intelligence and

1612
00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:13,839
rapacity was interested in getting it

1613
00:59:19,349 --> 00:59:16,400
out there into the public domain as was

1614
00:59:21,910 --> 00:59:19,359
her campaign manager john podesta a

1615
00:59:24,630 --> 00:59:21,920
former chief of staff to obama and a

1616
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:24,640
former senior advisor to bill clinton

1617
00:59:29,270 --> 00:59:26,799
you know there are good people on both

1618
00:59:32,950 --> 00:59:29,280
sides of politics there are who want

1619
00:59:35,190 --> 00:59:32,960
this story told and who recognize

1620
00:59:37,270 --> 00:59:35,200
you know this is this is really truly it

1621
00:59:39,990 --> 00:59:37,280
really is i mean for people like me

1622
00:59:41,109 --> 00:59:40,000
who've grown up in an era where we've

1623
00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:41,119
looked

1624
00:59:45,270 --> 00:59:43,599
to america for moral leadership on the

1625
00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:45,280
world stage

1626
00:59:50,069 --> 00:59:46,799
you know we've followed you guys in

1627
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:50,079
every war since the first world war

1628
00:59:53,589 --> 00:59:51,920
we're your buddies

1629
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:53,599
and people in my military and

1630
00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:56,400
intelligence services have grudgingly

1631
00:59:59,750 --> 00:59:57,839
admitted to me

1632
01:00:01,910 --> 00:59:59,760
they're aware of stuff that america

1633
01:00:04,789 --> 01:00:01,920
knows that isn't being publicly talked

1634
01:00:07,430 --> 01:00:04,799
about that's why i wrote this book

1635
01:00:09,990 --> 01:00:07,440
people gave me a prod i was given a prod

1636
01:00:12,309 --> 01:00:10,000
by good people over here in australia

1637
01:00:16,150 --> 01:00:12,319
who are frustrated that america is kind

1638
01:00:19,670 --> 01:00:16,160
of stagnant right now it's lost its way

1639
01:00:23,109 --> 01:00:19,680
it needs uh it needs a new space program

1640
01:00:25,349 --> 01:00:23,119
or a new manhattan project he's a leader

1641
01:00:28,630 --> 01:00:25,359
and it needs to lead the world

1642
01:00:30,549 --> 01:00:28,640
and it can do that by

1643
01:00:31,750 --> 01:00:30,559
coming out of the black coming out of

1644
01:00:33,910 --> 01:00:31,760
the shadows

1645
01:00:35,589 --> 01:00:33,920
talking candidly to the public about

1646
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:35,599
what it knows

1647
01:00:41,510 --> 01:00:37,920
great things can be achieved they really

1648
01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:41,520
can and i i feel so privileged because

1649
01:00:45,750 --> 01:00:43,440
i'm having conversations on a daily

1650
01:00:48,470 --> 01:00:45,760
basis with good people who are coming

1651
01:00:51,349 --> 01:00:48,480
forward talking to me privately as they

1652
01:00:53,829 --> 01:00:51,359
can do on my proton mail on my twitter

1653
01:00:55,510 --> 01:00:53,839
handle and if they want that they can

1654
01:00:57,190 --> 01:00:55,520
track me down confidentially and i can

1655
01:00:58,870 --> 01:00:57,200
give them my mobile number and we can

1656
01:01:00,230 --> 01:00:58,880
have a confidential chat on various

1657
01:01:01,990 --> 01:01:00,240
encrypted apps

1658
01:01:04,069 --> 01:01:02,000
i'm very very happy to talk to people

1659
01:01:06,789 --> 01:01:04,079
and i have been and they're willing to

1660
01:01:09,030 --> 01:01:06,799
share and express

1661
01:01:10,390 --> 01:01:09,040
their willingness to

1662
01:01:11,910 --> 01:01:10,400
impart information

1663
01:01:14,230 --> 01:01:11,920
and uh

1664
01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:14,240
they're as excited as i am by the

1665
01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:17,040
prospects of what could happen to

1666
01:01:20,549 --> 01:01:18,240
humanity

1667
01:01:23,589 --> 01:01:20,559
even in your in my lifetime maybe not in

1668
01:01:25,750 --> 01:01:23,599
my lifetime i'm nearly 60 but

1669
01:01:28,470 --> 01:01:25,760
you know i think potentially human

1670
01:01:31,190 --> 01:01:28,480
beings on the cusp of

1671
01:01:33,430 --> 01:01:31,200
breathtaking discoveries right now

1672
01:01:36,789 --> 01:01:33,440
and there's an enormous positivity here

1673
01:01:39,349 --> 01:01:36,799
there's an enormous reason for optimism

1674
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:39,359
it would make us forget our differences

1675
01:01:44,549 --> 01:01:42,480
and i i just find it bewildering what i

1676
01:01:45,670 --> 01:01:44,559
know and i can understand that there are

1677
01:01:47,670 --> 01:01:45,680
people

1678
01:01:49,190 --> 01:01:47,680
in the national security hierarchy and i

1679
01:01:52,150 --> 01:01:49,200
give them a bit of a bollocking in my

1680
01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:52,160
book i talk about how frankly some of

1681
01:01:55,910 --> 01:01:53,680
these people who are concealing this

1682
01:01:59,270 --> 01:01:55,920
secret should be tarred and feathered

1683
01:02:01,349 --> 01:01:59,280
tied to a bubble bar and publicly

1684
01:02:02,710 --> 01:02:01,359
lying bastards that they're

1685
01:02:04,309 --> 01:02:02,720
known to be

1686
01:02:05,829 --> 01:02:04,319
but the reality is yeah

1687
01:02:08,549 --> 01:02:05,839
there have been lies told to the

1688
01:02:10,870 --> 01:02:08,559
american public for the last 50 60 70

1689
01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:10,880
years about this phenomenon the public's

1690
01:02:14,390 --> 01:02:12,480
been misled

1691
01:02:16,549 --> 01:02:14,400
but here's an opportunity now to bring

1692
01:02:18,230 --> 01:02:16,559
it out into the open right and make a

1693
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:18,240
public disclosure

1694
01:02:22,230 --> 01:02:20,640
and i'm excited by that because this is

1695
01:02:24,390 --> 01:02:22,240
an opportunity for that american

1696
01:02:26,950 --> 01:02:24,400
exceptionalism to shine again

1697
01:02:29,190 --> 01:02:26,960
yeah and uh you know i i want to feel

1698
01:02:31,430 --> 01:02:29,200
that same sense of pride that i felt in

1699
01:02:32,789 --> 01:02:31,440
the space program as a member of the

1700
01:02:36,230 --> 01:02:32,799
human race

1701
01:02:39,109 --> 01:02:36,240
it's a very touching story

1702
01:02:40,710 --> 01:02:39,119
very touching because it's very true um

1703
01:02:43,190 --> 01:02:40,720
you know what's possible when we come

1704
01:02:44,069 --> 01:02:43,200
together what's possible we go to the

1705
01:02:47,190 --> 01:02:44,079
moon

1706
01:02:49,510 --> 01:02:47,200
literally that's not even a hypothetical

1707
01:02:51,510 --> 01:02:49,520
we go to the moon

1708
01:02:52,710 --> 01:02:51,520
and now we're on mars

1709
01:02:54,950 --> 01:02:52,720
you know

1710
01:02:57,109 --> 01:02:54,960
um so it's a it's incredible let me ask

1711
01:02:58,789 --> 01:02:57,119
you this when you go through the old

1712
01:03:01,589 --> 01:02:58,799
documents and such

1713
01:03:03,349 --> 01:03:01,599
i get this feeling and i wonder if you

1714
01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:03,359
get the same feeling

1715
01:03:10,549 --> 01:03:06,000
do you feel like they genuinely are

1716
01:03:14,309 --> 01:03:12,230
uh

1717
01:03:15,829 --> 01:03:14,319
yeah yeah

1718
01:03:17,349 --> 01:03:15,839
yeah i think part of the thing that's

1719
01:03:18,950 --> 01:03:17,359
freaking people out especially the

1720
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:18,960
religious you know louis luzonda has

1721
01:03:23,670 --> 01:03:20,880
dropped this hint a few times

1722
01:03:25,750 --> 01:03:23,680
that the religious

1723
01:03:28,390 --> 01:03:25,760
people in the pentagon

1724
01:03:29,750 --> 01:03:28,400
particularly are quite confronted by it

1725
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:29,760
yeah and it's why the the

1726
01:03:33,829 --> 01:03:32,160
extraterrestrial hypothesis doesn't

1727
01:03:34,789 --> 01:03:33,839
adequately explain what we're talking

1728
01:03:36,470 --> 01:03:34,799
about

1729
01:03:38,150 --> 01:03:36,480
because it's a phenomenon that has to be

1730
01:03:39,349 --> 01:03:38,160
perceived through human consciousness

1731
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:39,359
you know

1732
01:03:41,430 --> 01:03:39,690
um

1733
01:03:42,630 --> 01:03:41,440
[Music]

1734
01:03:43,910 --> 01:03:42,640
even though i think some of the people

1735
01:03:44,870 --> 01:03:43,920
that are supposing it are a little bit

1736
01:03:46,630 --> 01:03:44,880
odd

1737
01:03:49,029 --> 01:03:46,640
i do think there's quite possibly

1738
01:03:49,990 --> 01:03:49,039
something to ce5 you know the idea that

1739
01:03:52,309 --> 01:03:50,000
you can

1740
01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:52,319
mentally engage with the phenomenon

1741
01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:53,920
i've seen it you know i've seen it

1742
01:03:57,190 --> 01:03:55,200
happen and i've got friends here in

1743
01:03:59,029 --> 01:03:57,200
australia that are capable of it and

1744
01:04:03,190 --> 01:03:59,039
friends in other countries that have

1745
01:04:05,829 --> 01:04:03,200
told me clearly and demonstrated it yeah

1746
01:04:08,549 --> 01:04:05,839
and when you have the idea there that

1747
01:04:11,029 --> 01:04:08,559
lies behind that this notion of an uber

1748
01:04:14,630 --> 01:04:11,039
consciousness

1749
01:04:16,470 --> 01:04:14,640
you know far off religious ideas of god

1750
01:04:19,109 --> 01:04:16,480
and a supreme

1751
01:04:21,029 --> 01:04:19,119
intelligence that is omniscient and

1752
01:04:22,549 --> 01:04:21,039
monitoring our lives

1753
01:04:24,390 --> 01:04:22,559
you can see why for a lot of people who

1754
01:04:26,230 --> 01:04:24,400
are religious or deeply spiritual it's

1755
01:04:27,750 --> 01:04:26,240
quite a confronting thing to come to the

1756
01:04:29,430 --> 01:04:27,760
realization that

1757
01:04:30,950 --> 01:04:29,440
that what the world's religions have

1758
01:04:33,109 --> 01:04:30,960
been describing

1759
01:04:35,349 --> 01:04:33,119
for thousands of years may now be

1760
01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:35,359
capable of being

1761
01:04:41,029 --> 01:04:38,160
scientifically described

1762
01:04:43,589 --> 01:04:41,039
it's yeah confronting

1763
01:04:45,750 --> 01:04:43,599
yeah but does that remind you of icarus

1764
01:04:47,750 --> 01:04:45,760
at all

1765
01:04:49,510 --> 01:04:47,760
what that we might flew fly too close to

1766
01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:49,520
the sun that we should get information

1767
01:04:53,910 --> 01:04:51,760
you shouldn't know the tower of babel

1768
01:04:56,069 --> 01:04:53,920
you know you're building this whole

1769
01:04:57,990 --> 01:04:56,079
trying to go to the heavens and then it

1770
01:05:00,230 --> 01:04:58,000
blows up in your face somehow do you

1771
01:05:02,549 --> 01:05:00,240
think we should know everything

1772
01:05:07,270 --> 01:05:02,559
i'm really struck by the fact that

1773
01:05:10,789 --> 01:05:08,950
and i i you know it's funny i'm kind of

1774
01:05:12,710 --> 01:05:10,799
shy saying this because

1775
01:05:14,470 --> 01:05:12,720
the scientist in me

1776
01:05:16,470 --> 01:05:14,480
doesn't want to sound too

1777
01:05:18,789 --> 01:05:16,480
woo-woo or mystical

1778
01:05:20,230 --> 01:05:18,799
but an astonishing number of people that

1779
01:05:23,109 --> 01:05:20,240
i talk to

1780
01:05:25,270 --> 01:05:23,119
who are engaging they believe

1781
01:05:26,950 --> 01:05:25,280
in a meditative way in a mental way with

1782
01:05:31,670 --> 01:05:26,960
the phenomenon

1783
01:05:34,069 --> 01:05:31,680
finds you that it's essentially

1784
01:05:35,670 --> 01:05:34,079
instigating its own disclosure

1785
01:05:36,950 --> 01:05:35,680
and guiding

1786
01:05:39,270 --> 01:05:36,960
you know that there's a lot of evidence

1787
01:05:41,990 --> 01:05:39,280
i think for this notion that if there is

1788
01:05:43,829 --> 01:05:42,000
if there is this intelligent life form

1789
01:05:45,349 --> 01:05:43,839
that is behind all of this this uber

1790
01:05:46,710 --> 01:05:45,359
consciousness

1791
01:05:49,109 --> 01:05:46,720
there's a lot of evidence i think to

1792
01:05:51,109 --> 01:05:49,119
suggest that it's basically guiding

1793
01:05:52,390 --> 01:05:51,119
humanity i mean tom de long hinted at

1794
01:05:54,470 --> 01:05:52,400
that in some of those interviews that he

1795
01:05:56,789 --> 01:05:54,480
did with people like rojas and

1796
01:05:57,990 --> 01:05:56,799
coast to coast uh all those years ago

1797
01:05:59,670 --> 01:05:58,000
before

1798
01:06:01,750 --> 01:05:59,680
the ttsa

1799
01:06:02,710 --> 01:06:01,760
you know this notion that you know there

1800
01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:02,720
is

1801
01:06:06,470 --> 01:06:04,720
some kind of supreme

1802
01:06:08,630 --> 01:06:06,480
intelligence consciousness that's out

1803
01:06:10,150 --> 01:06:08,640
there that's monitoring humanity

1804
01:06:11,670 --> 01:06:10,160
and possibly guiding us behind the

1805
01:06:12,549 --> 01:06:11,680
scenes

1806
01:06:14,549 --> 01:06:12,559
um

1807
01:06:16,150 --> 01:06:14,559
i have evidence of that my own personal

1808
01:06:20,390 --> 01:06:16,160
life

1809
01:06:22,630 --> 01:06:20,400
have you yeah i had um my first this is

1810
01:06:24,230 --> 01:06:22,640
why i'm here ross uh

1811
01:06:27,589 --> 01:06:24,240
i was an athlete

1812
01:06:29,029 --> 01:06:27,599
um singer songwriter for 20 years

1813
01:06:34,069 --> 01:06:29,039
um

1814
01:06:36,390 --> 01:06:34,079
coronavirus came everything shut down

1815
01:06:38,470 --> 01:06:36,400
um and you know you have to figure

1816
01:06:40,309 --> 01:06:38,480
things out

1817
01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:40,319
in my first experience

1818
01:06:45,349 --> 01:06:42,720
i'll make the long story short because

1819
01:06:46,470 --> 01:06:45,359
it's not about me um

1820
01:07:00,870 --> 01:06:46,480
i

1821
01:07:02,390 --> 01:07:00,880
out um

1822
01:07:05,029 --> 01:07:02,400
the next day

1823
01:07:06,630 --> 01:07:05,039
or a couple days after um i wind up

1824
01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:06,640
getting in a

1825
01:07:11,829 --> 01:07:09,599
huge argument with my father that was

1826
01:07:12,870 --> 01:07:11,839
just like that never happened and i had

1827
01:07:15,270 --> 01:07:12,880
a dream

1828
01:07:18,390 --> 01:07:15,280
two years before that

1829
01:07:20,309 --> 01:07:18,400
that we had that argument

1830
01:07:22,230 --> 01:07:20,319
and it was really weird to me then

1831
01:07:23,270 --> 01:07:22,240
because i couldn't conceive of why that

1832
01:07:25,190 --> 01:07:23,280
would happen

1833
01:07:27,990 --> 01:07:25,200
so i see this thing

1834
01:07:30,150 --> 01:07:28,000
a dream comes true a couple days after i

1835
01:07:32,549 --> 01:07:30,160
see the thing again except it's a solid

1836
01:07:33,670 --> 01:07:32,559
white ball it's obviously there for me

1837
01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:33,680
to see it

1838
01:07:37,750 --> 01:07:35,520
it's in and out

1839
01:07:39,190 --> 01:07:37,760
um the second time it zapped me with

1840
01:07:40,549 --> 01:07:39,200
like a little thing of light over the

1841
01:07:42,390 --> 01:07:40,559
shoulder

1842
01:07:43,750 --> 01:07:42,400
i knew to just keep looking in that

1843
01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:43,760
direction

1844
01:07:46,710 --> 01:07:45,839
and there it was

1845
01:07:48,950 --> 01:07:46,720
um

1846
01:07:50,950 --> 01:07:48,960
so there's something

1847
01:07:52,150 --> 01:07:50,960
with this and

1848
01:07:53,750 --> 01:07:52,160
almost

1849
01:07:55,270 --> 01:07:53,760
i don't know if it's guiding you maybe

1850
01:07:57,029 --> 01:07:55,280
it was guiding me the only thing i could

1851
01:07:58,789 --> 01:07:57,039
think of is maybe it was saying hey

1852
01:08:00,870 --> 01:07:58,799
don't do this in person like your dream

1853
01:08:03,430 --> 01:08:00,880
maybe i don't know

1854
01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:03,440
but it was definitely bizarre

1855
01:08:08,710 --> 01:08:05,920
and shook me uh very much and then i had

1856
01:08:11,190 --> 01:08:08,720
sightings um that were not like them but

1857
01:08:14,630 --> 01:08:11,200
i saw things uh for the next couple

1858
01:08:16,630 --> 01:08:14,640
months now i haven't for a while but

1859
01:08:18,070 --> 01:08:16,640
yeah um

1860
01:08:19,829 --> 01:08:18,080
that was uh

1861
01:08:21,430 --> 01:08:19,839
yeah it was

1862
01:08:23,590 --> 01:08:21,440
you know when i look at that stuff and i

1863
01:08:26,470 --> 01:08:23,600
hear nuts and bolts i

1864
01:08:29,590 --> 01:08:26,480
like that doesn't matter

1865
01:08:33,510 --> 01:08:29,600
do you think that it seeks you out

1866
01:08:38,229 --> 01:08:34,870
i feel like

1867
01:08:41,669 --> 01:08:38,239
there was maybe a little uh both

1868
01:08:43,430 --> 01:08:41,679
happening i was looking for something

1869
01:08:47,269 --> 01:08:43,440
and maybe

1870
01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:47,279
um there was a spot for me to be

1871
01:08:51,349 --> 01:08:49,440
um i haven't played a show since i have

1872
01:08:54,309 --> 01:08:51,359
this show i've got

1873
01:08:56,309 --> 01:08:54,319
more you know kudos thumbs up and love

1874
01:08:58,070 --> 01:08:56,319
uh from doing this than i ever did in

1875
01:08:59,910 --> 01:08:58,080
music

1876
01:09:02,309 --> 01:08:59,920
and i'm happy

1877
01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:02,319
and i wasn't happy before

1878
01:09:05,510 --> 01:09:03,359
because

1879
01:09:07,510 --> 01:09:05,520
all i know is um

1880
01:09:09,110 --> 01:09:07,520
and i've had this conversation with many

1881
01:09:10,789 --> 01:09:09,120
many people

1882
01:09:12,070 --> 01:09:10,799
and it's normally after about the second

1883
01:09:14,149 --> 01:09:12,080
or third beer

1884
01:09:16,149 --> 01:09:14,159
and we both

1885
01:09:18,309 --> 01:09:16,159
we both make the admission to each other

1886
01:09:20,550 --> 01:09:18,319
that we feel we feel

1887
01:09:22,630 --> 01:09:20,560
almost compelled

1888
01:09:24,789 --> 01:09:22,640
yeah driven

1889
01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:24,799
and and i've you know i've many's the

1890
01:09:28,149 --> 01:09:26,480
time during my research where i would

1891
01:09:29,749 --> 01:09:28,159
get despondent and think oh i'm not

1892
01:09:31,110 --> 01:09:29,759
getting anywhere and then

1893
01:09:33,349 --> 01:09:31,120
it's almost like something gave us a

1894
01:09:34,789 --> 01:09:33,359
cosmic shove you know look in this

1895
01:09:36,390 --> 01:09:34,799
direction your bloody idiot you know

1896
01:09:38,789 --> 01:09:36,400
come as well

1897
01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:38,799
and um i really feel guided i mean i'm

1898
01:09:42,550 --> 01:09:40,719
i'm not asserting any kind of religious

1899
01:09:44,390 --> 01:09:42,560
notion there

1900
01:09:47,110 --> 01:09:44,400
i i i've

1901
01:09:49,269 --> 01:09:47,120
i really feel this story i get mystical

1902
01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:49,279
about stories as a journalist

1903
01:09:54,709 --> 01:09:52,319
and this story wants to be told it's a

1904
01:09:57,590 --> 01:09:54,719
story that's ready to be told it's a

1905
01:09:59,030 --> 01:09:57,600
narrative that's just there waiting to

1906
01:10:01,430 --> 01:09:59,040
be opened

1907
01:10:03,030 --> 01:10:01,440
and i've seen that periodically in my

1908
01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:03,040
career as a journalist where you know

1909
01:10:07,270 --> 01:10:05,280
you're investigating something i've

1910
01:10:08,390 --> 01:10:07,280
investigated say true crime mysteries

1911
01:10:10,310 --> 01:10:08,400
where

1912
01:10:11,510 --> 01:10:10,320
you know horrible crime has gone

1913
01:10:13,270 --> 01:10:11,520
unpunished

1914
01:10:15,189 --> 01:10:13,280
i've been privileged as a journalist to

1915
01:10:17,270 --> 01:10:15,199
be able to investigate those come back

1916
01:10:19,110 --> 01:10:17,280
and find new evidence that breaks the

1917
01:10:21,189 --> 01:10:19,120
case open and

1918
01:10:23,669 --> 01:10:21,199
many of the time i felt

1919
01:10:28,070 --> 01:10:23,679
all i was doing was just following the

1920
01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:29,830
and it's really interesting because i i

1921
01:10:34,229 --> 01:10:31,440
think this one

1922
01:10:35,830 --> 01:10:34,239
this narrative is

1923
01:10:37,510 --> 01:10:35,840
something that

1924
01:10:40,149 --> 01:10:37,520
i'm really struck

1925
01:10:42,470 --> 01:10:40,159
you know as a journo the media has

1926
01:10:44,149 --> 01:10:42,480
completely dropped the ball on this one

1927
01:10:46,149 --> 01:10:44,159
you know they've just allowed themselves

1928
01:10:48,630 --> 01:10:46,159
to be snowed and

1929
01:10:50,149 --> 01:10:48,640
ridicule stigma taboo

1930
01:10:52,310 --> 01:10:50,159
have meant that the subject really

1931
01:10:54,070 --> 01:10:52,320
hasn't had any traction to be taken

1932
01:10:55,750 --> 01:10:54,080
seriously and the only way i could

1933
01:10:58,229 --> 01:10:55,760
actually get into this story matter

1934
01:11:00,630 --> 01:10:58,239
myself was to step back from

1935
01:11:03,350 --> 01:11:00,640
conventional journalism and i've given

1936
01:11:05,590 --> 01:11:03,360
two and a half three years of my life

1937
01:11:07,910 --> 01:11:05,600
full time to this subject at

1938
01:11:09,750 --> 01:11:07,920
considerable financial cost i'll tell

1939
01:11:10,950 --> 01:11:09,760
you yeah and

1940
01:11:12,709 --> 01:11:10,960
it's um

1941
01:11:15,110 --> 01:11:12,719
you know it's been hard

1942
01:11:16,870 --> 01:11:15,120
but there is um

1943
01:11:19,189 --> 01:11:16,880
i have i have an incredible sense of

1944
01:11:23,110 --> 01:11:19,199
optimism at the end of the rainbow that

1945
01:11:25,110 --> 01:11:23,120
we are headed towards um a result

1946
01:11:27,030 --> 01:11:25,120
and i think it's largely because the

1947
01:11:29,270 --> 01:11:27,040
phenomenon whatever it is wants the

1948
01:11:32,630 --> 01:11:29,280
story to be told

1949
01:11:34,630 --> 01:11:32,640
yeah and maybe they can't tell it

1950
01:11:36,070 --> 01:11:34,640
that's beautiful

1951
01:11:37,669 --> 01:11:36,080
uh

1952
01:11:40,149 --> 01:11:37,679
maybe we should go out on that note

1953
01:11:41,350 --> 01:11:40,159
because i don't think it gets any better

1954
01:11:44,630 --> 01:11:41,360
than that

1955
01:11:47,030 --> 01:11:44,640
um that was truly beautiful and it sums

1956
01:11:50,870 --> 01:11:48,870
like what i feel is happening with

1957
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myself so

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um and i'm just can't be that elegant

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with the words

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like you

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um and that makes just so much sense and

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the reason we're here right now is

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because of people like yourself who are

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following that path and not fighting it

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you know you have a gut instinct and an

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intuition

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and that's not something to ignore like

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you're blessed with that and you're

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using it and um you're seeing some great

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stuff happen from it

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and i just look up to you for doing that

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and hopefully one day

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01:12:23,750 --> 01:12:21,679
i can be at a spot like that too if i

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01:12:25,510 --> 01:12:23,760
work hard enough so

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um you're definitely someone to look up

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01:12:32,870 --> 01:12:26,960
to

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i certainly um i just hope what i do is

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01:12:36,310 --> 01:12:34,239
in helping people understand the

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01:12:38,790 --> 01:12:36,320
phenomenon more i wrote my book with

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every intention of giving

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what we would call in australia the

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01:12:44,229 --> 01:12:42,560
average punter you know the average

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01:12:46,229 --> 01:12:44,239
person the opportunity to try and get

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01:12:46,950 --> 01:12:46,239
across the phenomenon and to understand

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01:12:48,709 --> 01:12:46,960
it

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in as comprehensive a way as possible

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that's that's the purpose behind my book

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is to help people understand

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01:12:55,830 --> 01:12:54,880
and engage and start doing their own

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research

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01:12:59,669 --> 01:12:57,600
well i hope you keep going on this

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01:13:02,070 --> 01:12:59,679
because you are on a mission you're a

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01:13:04,550 --> 01:13:02,080
soldier and you're just kicking butt so

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01:13:07,350 --> 01:13:04,560
i hope you do conferences talks

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01:13:08,950 --> 01:13:07,360
all that stuff i i would definitely um

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follow you

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01:13:13,350 --> 01:13:09,679
where

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01:13:14,870 --> 01:13:13,360
states you know

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so well at the moment at the moment

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we're not even allowed to leave

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01:13:19,590 --> 01:13:18,000
australia we're all in bloody lockdown

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01:13:21,430 --> 01:13:19,600
so it's a terrible time

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01:13:22,630 --> 01:13:21,440
yeah i'm so sorry

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01:13:24,870 --> 01:13:22,640
yeah well

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01:13:26,630 --> 01:13:24,880
you look great you said you're 60 you

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01:13:28,550 --> 01:13:26,640
look like you're 32.

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01:13:30,709 --> 01:13:28,560
so good on you mate thanks very much

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01:13:33,430 --> 01:13:30,719
good to talk to you yeah you too i

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appreciate your time

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01:13:37,110 --> 01:13:35,600
all right everybody by the way

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01:13:39,510 --> 01:13:37,120
people know it's going to be published

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01:13:42,709 --> 01:13:39,520
in the u.s

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01:13:45,590 --> 01:13:42,719
in plain sight and investigation into

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01:13:48,149 --> 01:13:45,600
ufos and impossible science it's

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01:13:50,229 --> 01:13:48,159
currently out in audible and kindle book

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01:13:52,390 --> 01:13:50,239
form in the us but it's being published

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01:13:55,590 --> 01:13:52,400
by harpercollins usa

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01:13:57,270 --> 01:13:55,600
i think in mid-october october 19th

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01:13:58,229 --> 01:13:57,280
and don't ask me why they left it that

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01:13:59,430 --> 01:13:58,239
long

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01:14:01,830 --> 01:13:59,440
write a letter to them and get annoyed

2022
01:14:03,510 --> 01:14:01,840
with them about it please yeah i wonder

2023
01:14:05,350 --> 01:14:03,520
but it's on audible right now do you

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01:14:08,550 --> 01:14:05,360
mind if people get it that way

2025
01:14:09,910 --> 01:14:08,560
yeah oh that's i'm glad i mentioned that

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01:14:11,110 --> 01:14:09,920
because i wanted to get this from you

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01:14:12,390 --> 01:14:11,120
before you go

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01:14:15,510 --> 01:14:12,400
um

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01:14:17,030 --> 01:14:15,520
i want to do a comparison of tom delonge

2030
01:14:19,189 --> 01:14:17,040
uh impressions

2031
01:14:20,550 --> 01:14:19,199
talking about aliens

2032
01:14:24,870 --> 01:14:20,560
hey guys

2033
01:14:28,790 --> 01:14:27,030
i had so much fun because i read my own

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01:14:30,470 --> 01:14:28,800
book and um

2035
01:14:31,990 --> 01:14:30,480
i apologize

2036
01:14:35,750 --> 01:14:32,000
up front because i probably made him

2037
01:14:38,390 --> 01:14:35,760
sound like an excited 12 year old boy

2038
01:14:40,630 --> 01:14:38,400
i i love i i can honestly tell you i

2039
01:14:43,270 --> 01:14:40,640
think the the thing about tom i've

2040
01:14:45,270 --> 01:14:43,280
listened to his music for years and um

2041
01:14:48,070 --> 01:14:45,280
the thing i love about him is his

2042
01:14:50,070 --> 01:14:48,080
precocious obvious intelligence

2043
01:14:52,070 --> 01:14:50,080
that that he was being

2044
01:14:54,470 --> 01:14:52,080
vilified and ridiculed by a lot of

2045
01:14:56,149 --> 01:14:54,480
people especially in the music media

2046
01:14:58,390 --> 01:14:56,159
and um you know basically everybody was

2047
01:15:01,669 --> 01:14:58,400
going out tom delonge was going crazy

2048
01:15:03,270 --> 01:15:01,679
and the guy has been proven largely

2049
01:15:04,390 --> 01:15:03,280
right with a lot of what he was

2050
01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:04,400
asserting

2051
01:15:08,709 --> 01:15:06,960
and i i think the mainstream media still

2052
01:15:10,709 --> 01:15:08,719
hasn't caught up with the implications

2053
01:15:13,270 --> 01:15:10,719
of the corroboration of tom delong's

2054
01:15:15,750 --> 01:15:13,280
assertions in the wikileaks leaked

2055
01:15:17,669 --> 01:15:15,760
emails from the dnc

2056
01:15:21,189 --> 01:15:17,679
because those documents show

2057
01:15:23,350 --> 01:15:21,199
tom was telling the truth and he can

2058
01:15:25,830 --> 01:15:23,360
feel vindicated to some degree

2059
01:15:28,310 --> 01:15:25,840
it's a shame that ttsa

2060
01:15:30,550 --> 01:15:28,320
didn't work to the stars academy

2061
01:15:32,310 --> 01:15:30,560
but um you know he can be very very

2062
01:15:34,630 --> 01:15:32,320
proud that he's made an enormous

2063
01:15:35,990 --> 01:15:34,640
contribution to broadening public

2064
01:15:37,430 --> 01:15:36,000
understanding and

2065
01:15:39,110 --> 01:15:37,440
you know when his good mates like mark

2066
01:15:40,790 --> 01:15:39,120
hoppers from the band took the piss with

2067
01:15:42,709 --> 01:15:40,800
him and basically said oh

2068
01:15:44,310 --> 01:15:42,719
you know tom delong

2069
01:15:46,229 --> 01:15:44,320
believes anything that anybody tells him

2070
01:15:47,910 --> 01:15:46,239
about aliens um

2071
01:15:51,350 --> 01:15:47,920
i wonder whether mark's now eating his

2072
01:15:55,430 --> 01:15:52,390
nice

2073
01:15:57,430 --> 01:15:55,440
yeah um

2074
01:15:59,430 --> 01:15:57,440
he reminds me of

2075
01:16:01,910 --> 01:15:59,440
because his story of how he got there

2076
01:16:04,070 --> 01:16:01,920
was pretty much just hustling

2077
01:16:05,830 --> 01:16:04,080
you know he's going out there working

2078
01:16:07,430 --> 01:16:05,840
hard making relationships you know i

2079
01:16:09,430 --> 01:16:07,440
talked to this guy for a little bit you

2080
01:16:12,709 --> 01:16:09,440
know and they're going for it

2081
01:16:13,750 --> 01:16:12,719
and that's exactly how he worked his

2082
01:16:15,910 --> 01:16:13,760
band

2083
01:16:17,510 --> 01:16:15,920
and i know that because i've done that

2084
01:16:19,189 --> 01:16:17,520
for my band

2085
01:16:20,790 --> 01:16:19,199
and sometimes you sell it too hard and

2086
01:16:23,590 --> 01:16:20,800
get yourself in a real big venue that

2087
01:16:24,709 --> 01:16:23,600
you have no business in and nobody comes

2088
01:16:25,990 --> 01:16:24,719
and

2089
01:16:27,350 --> 01:16:26,000
that's your love i mean i love the way

2090
01:16:29,830 --> 01:16:27,360
that he got this all kicked off

2091
01:16:32,229 --> 01:16:29,840
originally was it's pretty clear he got

2092
01:16:33,830 --> 01:16:32,239
to talk to robert weiss or vice i don't

2093
01:16:36,550 --> 01:16:33,840
know how you say it who was the boss of

2094
01:16:38,149 --> 01:16:36,560
lockheed martin skunkworks

2095
01:16:39,750 --> 01:16:38,159
and uh you know chief executive of one

2096
01:16:42,070 --> 01:16:39,760
of the biggest aerospace companies in

2097
01:16:43,990 --> 01:16:42,080
the world on the planet

2098
01:16:45,669 --> 01:16:44,000
and he did it by basically saying look

2099
01:16:47,590 --> 01:16:45,679
you know i'll do this i'll do this gig

2100
01:16:50,149 --> 01:16:47,600
at your offices if you let me talk for

2101
01:16:54,390 --> 01:16:50,159
five minutes to robert weiss yeah

2102
01:16:56,390 --> 01:16:54,400
um you know that's that's clever yeah

2103
01:16:57,990 --> 01:16:56,400
the thing i also respect about him is

2104
01:17:01,189 --> 01:16:58,000
there's an obvious intelligence there

2105
01:17:03,189 --> 01:17:01,199
you know people like to lampoon de long

2106
01:17:04,550 --> 01:17:03,199
but i know i really regret it actually i

2107
01:17:06,149 --> 01:17:04,560
would have loved to have interviewed him

2108
01:17:07,669 --> 01:17:06,159
for my book but i could never get past

2109
01:17:09,830 --> 01:17:07,679
his sister carrie who was just

2110
01:17:12,790 --> 01:17:09,840
formidable you know she would never ever

2111
01:17:14,870 --> 01:17:12,800
let me talk to him um and um it's really

2112
01:17:17,350 --> 01:17:14,880
sad because i think that his

2113
01:17:19,669 --> 01:17:17,360
contribution to understanding the

2114
01:17:21,590 --> 01:17:19,679
phenomenon is invaluable

2115
01:17:23,590 --> 01:17:21,600
and it needs to be acknowledged

2116
01:17:26,709 --> 01:17:23,600
yeah i agree with you hopefully that

2117
01:17:28,709 --> 01:17:26,719
story is told properly

2118
01:17:30,470 --> 01:17:28,719
i'm sure you'd be a good one to do it

2119
01:17:32,229 --> 01:17:30,480
all right ross thanks for hanging on

2120
01:17:33,910 --> 01:17:32,239
with me i appreciate it

2121
01:17:36,149 --> 01:17:33,920
good on you mate nice to talk to you

2122
01:17:41,110 --> 01:17:36,159
yeah you as well until next time all

2123
01:17:44,390 --> 01:17:42,630
um so yeah

2124
01:17:45,590 --> 01:17:44,400
long day

2125
01:17:48,310 --> 01:17:45,600
hey

2126
01:17:49,910 --> 01:17:48,320
um we had a show earlier today

2127
01:17:51,350 --> 01:17:49,920
i think it was at noon then we had steve

2128
01:17:52,310 --> 01:17:51,360
bassett

2129
01:17:54,550 --> 01:17:52,320
and

2130
01:17:56,790 --> 01:17:54,560
um ross cole heart here

2131
01:17:59,669 --> 01:17:56,800
which is pretty cool to hear about nick

2132
01:18:01,990 --> 01:17:59,679
cook kind of um helping him along his

2133
01:18:04,070 --> 01:18:02,000
way because we had him on earlier and i

2134
01:18:07,270 --> 01:18:04,080
just loved nick cook so

2135
01:18:09,669 --> 01:18:07,280
uh we hit it off pretty well so

2136
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:09,679
if you want to know where that is i have

2137
01:18:13,990 --> 01:18:11,280
a huge

2138
01:18:15,669 --> 01:18:14,000
back uh log of material that you can

2139
01:18:19,510 --> 01:18:15,679
check out if you're new

2140
01:18:21,189 --> 01:18:19,520
um lou elizondo sean cahill um all sorts

2141
01:18:23,750 --> 01:18:21,199
of stuff

2142
01:18:26,790 --> 01:18:23,760
and i do an awesome doc of the day thing

2143
01:18:28,870 --> 01:18:26,800
every day that's pretty cool that um it

2144
01:18:30,229 --> 01:18:28,880
was cool to have ross on because he kind

2145
01:18:31,990 --> 01:18:30,239
of uh

2146
01:18:33,669 --> 01:18:32,000
vindicated me a little bit with some of

2147
01:18:35,350 --> 01:18:33,679
those documents

2148
01:18:37,189 --> 01:18:35,360
so that's cool

2149
01:18:40,149 --> 01:18:37,199
um

2150
01:18:42,950 --> 01:18:40,159
yeah please like the video subscribe

2151
01:18:44,310 --> 01:18:42,960
share this stuff um this was an

2152
01:18:46,390 --> 01:18:44,320
important

2153
01:18:49,270 --> 01:18:46,400
great conversation

2154
01:18:51,910 --> 01:18:49,280
um in my mouth and

2155
01:18:54,709 --> 01:18:51,920
my buzz only goes so far and really not

2156
01:18:59,510 --> 01:18:57,590
his story in not this interview but what

2157
01:19:02,709 --> 01:18:59,520
he said

2158
01:19:05,189 --> 01:19:02,719
deserves to go a lot farther than i'm

2159
01:19:07,910 --> 01:19:05,199
able to take it right now

2160
01:19:09,270 --> 01:19:07,920
so i need you i need you to share it and

2161
01:19:09,700 --> 01:19:09,280
like it

2162
01:19:11,030 --> 01:19:09,710
um

2163
01:19:12,229 --> 01:19:11,040
[Music]

2164
01:19:13,750 --> 01:19:12,239
yeah

2165
01:19:16,470 --> 01:19:13,760
if you can do that i would just be

2166
01:19:19,830 --> 01:19:16,480
really grateful i don't care about money

2167
01:19:23,830 --> 01:19:19,840
i don't care about anything

2168
01:19:26,790 --> 01:19:23,840
i want you to share ross

2169
01:19:28,550 --> 01:19:26,800
you know with everybody else

2170
01:19:29,830 --> 01:19:28,560
um because that's the best thing we can

2171
01:19:31,350 --> 01:19:29,840
do right now

2172
01:19:33,910 --> 01:19:31,360
all right

2173
01:19:36,390 --> 01:19:33,920
love you guys

2174
01:19:38,149 --> 01:19:36,400
peace

2175
01:19:41,510 --> 01:19:38,159
i will see you